MTDs - how many is enough ?

#1
Simple enough question....though would be interested in some answers that are honest - as opposed to just parroting the party line.......  
 
#2
IF THE MONEY POT WAS BOTTOMLESS THEN AS MANY AS YOU COULD GET IN. THE MORE MTDS A UNIT HAS (TO USE ON CONSTRUCTIVE TRAINING NOT ON CADET CAMPS, SIX WEEKS SKIING OR THE LIKE) THE MORE 'READY FOR ANYTHING' A TA UNIT WOULD BE. IN DAYS GONE BY MTDS WERE NOT LIMITED AS THEY ARE NOW, I MYSELF MANAGED TO ACREW 265 DAYS IN ONE TRAINING YEAR. THIS WAS UNUSUAL BUT NOT UNHEARD OF.

I RECENTLY HEARD A WHISPER THAT IF A TA SOLDIER DOES 117 DAYS IN A TRAINING YEAR HE IS ENTITLED TO 2 WEEKS PAID LEAVE. ANYONE KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE.
 
#3
As many as the wife will let me go away for! :-[  (her and the NHS).
 
#4
they are really clamping down on the MTD's at my Regiment, unfortunately it has got so strict that they are limiting the real workers i.e. the guys on the shop floor to around 36 days a year including their 2 week camp



absolutely ludicrous, i find it astonishing that they would allow this to work its way down from the Brigades without addressing it first, it really does cripple the effectiveness of the TA and just stinks of penny pinching in the wrong areas :(
 
#5
To remain FFR I think approx 55 days is about right.  I know that is an impossibility for many units.  Luckily my unit has no problem with MTDs.  I am currently at 73 days and will top 7 days in each of Jan-Mar plus possibility of a one week course so likely to top the 100 mark before April - and yes I do have a full time job as well!
 
#6
100+ days?

Are you AGC Puss_n_Boots?
 

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#8
100 + days?  done it a few times in the past, and in various Units.  Depends on having a gullible employer, though, and also a deep disregard for any home/social life.

Sad, I know :-[

This year, going for 80, which has been normal for the past few years.

Basic rule - go for it, and don't listen to moaning minnies.  If you do it, you have to be paid!
 

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#9
Hah, I'm allowed 1.5 more MTD this year + 2 week camp.  Total accrued so far 22 days.  So I'm being limited back to 38.5 days.  Handy as I'm far more likely to deploy now than I was ten years ago... is anyone getting the sarcasm here?  Maybe a labour govt. has something to do with it....

Seriously, my unit currently has with a quick count 20 x L/R variants, 15 x 4T or similar and 5 x Misc.  Each of these requires a 6 monthly, yearly or 2 yearly service at least twice a year.  That's 80 vehical servicings, now in theory we should be able to achieve this between 8 MT personel but that includes the MTO and other Seniors so call it 4 MT for 80 servicings, guess what!  There isn't MTD's to achieve this SO..... we have vehicals VOR due to lack of MTD's.  Not that this is really an issue as they go out so rarely now oil changes bring out oil as clean as it went in...  

It just seems... wrong.

Desperately considering handing my kit in and joining a specialist unit.
 
#10
80-100 training days?

Not sure of what we have, but I don't think it's anywhere near that figure, unless SB can correct me.. ;)
 
#11
I'll get the chief clerk to check when I go into the unit but I'm pretty certain I'm well over 100, I've done 5 weeks worth of camps this year and I must spend every other weekend doing something or other.

....and the effin paperwork pile never reduces  :':)'(
 
#12
Some very interesting replies on here, thank you, and please keep them coming (there is a point to this....).  It seems particularly odd that some units are clearly MTD-limited, and others are not - I'm particularly interested in that........

(For my part I think that 50 ish isn't far off, and historically, looking at what I know the mean is for guys in my unit, that's about fair - and what most of them are more than up for doing...there are some who regularly top out way above that)
 
#13
of course there is always the argument that the bounty hunters are good for one thing.  the allowance must be somewhere around 50 days per person but for every boba fett who only does his min commitment that leaves a few extra days for the rest of us.

I'm pretty certain that this isnt the way we are supposed to work it but anything that lets the commited guys and gals get some worthwhile training in and reward the time they give up with a bit of dosh has to be a good thing.  It's just a shame we have to take solace in such small things, in the real world we wouldn't be working to quotas and penny pinching...
 
#14
if you are part of these new ccrf happenings, you will be getting some extra mtds.
 
#15
Maybe if you're over the water.....

No word on MTD's this side, or specialist training, or courses etc.

Any more info appreciated , PM if OPSEC is major issue etc ...
 
#16
Word on my particular street, is ccrf qualifies for 5 extra mtds per year.

It is still up in the air a bit a the mo though I think.

I remember a time when you could basically do as many mtds as you liked. Ah those were the days. :-[
 
#17
Pre-1998?
 
#18
To be honest the MTD thing has only really been a problem in the last 2 yrs. Like everything else we probably survived on cuffing it for a couple of years, and gradually they closed down our loop holes.

I guess the management consultants got their teeth into it. I'm sure that paring everything down to the minimum possible makes eminent sense in MS Excel.  :-/
 
#19
Maybe if you're over the water.....

No word on MTD's this side, or specialist training, or courses etc.

Any more info appreciated , PM if OPSEC is major issue etc ...
i think it still is all up in the air, it's supposed to be in operation by end of year, but there is no direction from higher at all. but if you've volunteered for both (ccrf & iraq) what will they do when the ccrf have no pax left because everyone has sandy toes
 
#20
In terms of what is enough the maximum that can be done "legally" is 207 days, a total of ADC and MTd's of which a 180 days can be ADC contract, within that 207 day period, you have to take any leave that is accrued, which I believe is @ 1.5 day accrued per month worked. I expect an SPS SME will quote chapter and verse , but his works well for our lads.

Personally, ADC is a cop out for the Brass/Management that don't want to flag up problems of under manning and over worked staff and just keep pushing on from day to day pretending that problems don't exist and keep their pension intact.
 
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