Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by polar, Jun 29, 2011.

Welcome to the Army Rumour Service, ARRSE

The UK's largest and busiest UNofficial military website.

The heart of the site is the forum area, including:

  1. The Joint CIMIC Group was rebranded MSSG in 2009, as Stabilisation better defines the tasks carried out by the Group.

    PM me and I'll try to answer any questions you may have.
  2. Loads of MSST jobs on the OCE list at the moment but all for RE.
  3. msr

    msr LE

    So they haven't moved on from the 2000-9 view of CIMIC....
  4. So MSSG is a tri-service version of CIMIC for RE? :)
  5. Went there did the course glad to leave and never joined them. I don't think I have met a more pretentiouis unit, with individuals looking to bolster their careers and join an NGO. They build schools and give out stuff to kids
  6. It depends on who you talk to. However, given where MSSG sits in the Army it is Engineer heavy.
  7. msr

    msr LE

    And proof again that the army does not understand CIMIC.

  8. Or information collection assets - intentional or otherwise.
    • Like Like x 1
  9. msr

    msr LE

    CIMIC != reconstruction
  10. Indeed, I suppose that's what happens when you let a skill set/capability die. Excluding our extended break at Yugodisney, we have had to largely build our Knowledge, develop our doctrine and TTP's from scratch and it shows. When you look at the US Army, they are far more developed in these areas, not to mention that they have the MOS of Civil Affairs Specialist, but I digress.....
  11. msr

    msr LE

    Our CIMIC doctrine was (is?) one of the dullest documents I have ever read and once you involve the Royal Engineers, all you get is rebuilding stuff. Add to the mix a disinterested DfID, lack of strategic plan, NGOs who want nothing to do with the military and a regular army who just want to blow shit up - you end up with what we have got.

  12. MSSG will have made it (and implicitly, Influence) when the CO is awarded a DSO for his/her work. Until then, it's just stuff that gets in the way of "Warfighters"....
  13. Alfred is on the money as usual.

    MSR - Interested to hear what you're basing your opinion on - surely not one tour four years ago?
  14. msr,

    Whilst the CIMIC JDP is not the most thrilling of reads, it's companion on Stabilisation is far better and certainly more digestible to the man on the ground, (where it counts!). What you need to understand is that the whole show is still a work in progress, after all we are trying to make up some serious ground. Your comments above certainly don't reflect DfID's view about the MSSG.

    NGO's will always do their thing, as by and large they are independant private organisations, though when it suits them they will engage with the military.

    Perhaps you are taking the "build" part too literally, for example there is more to creating a secure stable society than building a few schools and handing out sweeties to children, what about policing and the machinery of (local) government. They are not RE tasks.