MSSG

#2
I presume this is a joint reserve/regular forces unit that was CIMIC?

Found this website Ministry of Defence | About Defence | What we do | Doctrine Operations and Diplomacy | MSSG | Military Stabilisation Support Group (MSSG)

Is their any others giving a better description of what they do?? What skillsets they want?

Have sent an email asking for more info.
The Joint CIMIC Group was rebranded MSSG in 2009, as Stabilisation better defines the tasks carried out by the Group.

PM me and I'll try to answer any questions you may have.
 
#3
Loads of MSST jobs on the OCE list at the moment but all for RE.
 
#4
#6
Went there did the course glad to leave and never joined them. I don't think I have met a more pretentiouis unit, with individuals looking to bolster their careers and join an NGO. They build schools and give out stuff to kids
 
#8
It depends on who you talk to. However, given where MSSG sits in the Army it is Engineer heavy.
And proof again that the army does not understand CIMIC.

msr
 
#9
Or information collection assets - intentional or otherwise.
 
#10
CIMIC != reconstruction
 
#11
And proof again that the army does not understand CIMIC.

msr
Indeed, I suppose that's what happens when you let a skill set/capability die. Excluding our extended break at Yugodisney, we have had to largely build our Knowledge, develop our doctrine and TTP's from scratch and it shows. When you look at the US Army, they are far more developed in these areas, not to mention that they have the MOS of Civil Affairs Specialist, but I digress.....
 
#12
Indeed, I suppose that's what happens when you let a skill set/capability die. Excluding our extended break at Yugodisney, we have had to largely build our Knowledge, develop our doctrine and TTP's from scratch and it shows. When you look at the US Army, they are far more developed in these areas, not to mention that they have the MOS of Civil Affairs Specialist, but I digress.....
Our CIMIC doctrine was (is?) one of the dullest documents I have ever read and once you involve the Royal Engineers, all you get is rebuilding stuff. Add to the mix a disinterested DfID, lack of strategic plan, NGOs who want nothing to do with the military and a regular army who just want to blow shit up - you end up with what we have got.

msr
 
#13
Our CIMIC doctrine was (is?) one of the dullest documents I have ever read and once you involve the Royal Engineers, all you get is rebuilding stuff. Add to the mix a disinterested DfID, lack of strategic plan, NGOs who want nothing to do with the military and a regular army who just want to blow shit up - you end up with what we have got.

msr
MSSG will have made it (and implicitly, Influence) when the CO is awarded a DSO for his/her work. Until then, it's just stuff that gets in the way of "Warfighters"....
 
#15
Our CIMIC doctrine was (is?) one of the dullest documents I have ever read and once you involve the Royal Engineers, all you get is rebuilding stuff. Add to the mix a disinterested DfID, lack of strategic plan, NGOs who want nothing to do with the military and a regular army who just want to blow shit up - you end up with what we have got.

msr
msr,

Whilst the CIMIC JDP is not the most thrilling of reads, it's companion on Stabilisation is far better and certainly more digestible to the man on the ground, (where it counts!). What you need to understand is that the whole show is still a work in progress, after all we are trying to make up some serious ground. Your comments above certainly don't reflect DfID's view about the MSSG.

NGO's will always do their thing, as by and large they are independant private organisations, though when it suits them they will engage with the military.

Perhaps you are taking the "build" part too literally, for example there is more to creating a secure stable society than building a few schools and handing out sweeties to children, what about policing and the machinery of (local) government. They are not RE tasks.
 
#16
the whole show is still a work in progress
Still?

Perhaps you are taking the "build" part too literally, for example there is more to creating a secure stable society than building a few schools and handing out sweeties to children, what about policing and the machinery of (local) government. They are not RE tasks.
That's the point I am trying to make :)
 
#17
CIMIC != reconstruction
Was that in response to my post? If not ignore all below.

Yes, I am very aware of what CIMIC (and the MSSG) is and does, however as a by product of dealing with LNs and Key leaders (and arguably creating said KLs, but that's for another thread) they have an awesome amount of knowledge regarding the local population and key characters within it.
Seeing as we are fighting a population centric COIN campaign anyone with a detailed understanding of who is who and does what at a village level and district level is effectively an information collection asset. The fact that this does not seem to be formalised so that MSSTs are required to report as part of the J2 Borg collective is frankly beyond the pale 5 years down the line.

Sources and Agencies: does what it says on the tin.

edited to add: to be fair this is a 2 way street - however I have never heard of an MSST asking for J2 support, but I may be wrong.
 
#18
Is it a worthwhile unit (as a TA officer)?

My old CO was an SO1 for a bit and it seems quite interesting, thinking about it for a tour, but dont want to get stuck in Wedge head hell.
 
#19
I've a friend who reccommends it highly because

a) Its pretty low commitment time-wise

b) He's found quite a few jollies, such as spending a few weeks on exercise in Kenya supporting the training battlegroup

c) Interesting role involving different agencies, and a good spread of switched on blokes with varied civvy careers. So not bad on the networking and CV front if you're interested in NGO / contractor type jobs in the future

d) Fairly high chance of a tour if you want one, in role, and quite far forward as an MSST commander.

Only downsides are gash berets & wonky webbing all round, and not much warry training.

But, for a TA officer not so bad I'd say, and as you keep your capbadge you can move back to your home unit easily if it begins to look more attractive.
 
#20
Yeoman, it can be if you can bring something to the party.

Simply just being "a TA officer" with the obligatory leadership and problem solving skills is not going to cut it. I say this as there are both Regular and TA officers with just as much operational experience as you, (perhaps significantly more) that can also apply their civilian knowledge, skills and experience, (in the case of TA officers), to the day to day issues that the MSST's face on the ground.

If you want to do a tour with the MSSG then you will have to join the group. If you would like to do something similar, a way forward would be to volunteer for operations and find a unit that will let you be part of their NKET.

PM me if you have any specific questions.

Edited to add: Charlie's friend makes some very valid points, though my beret is awesome and my Dragon Supplies beltkit fits just fine!
 
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