Mrs May - whither (or wither) the Tory Party

Don't apologise... what else is ARRSE if not rambling?

That's not exactly what I meant; rather, it's because Rudd holds public office as a member of Government - rather than as an MP - that it's only right that she should resign when found to have been untruthful (intentionally or not). Rudd is still an MP.

Tim Farron did not resign the leadership of the LibDems because he lied or because he failed; IIRC he left because as a Christian he was continually smacked around the head with his faith and continually stabbed in the back by his Party. He's still an MP.


There is a double standard in the treatment of Parties; however, it cuts both ways. Labour usually gets given more latitude by the BBC and Channel 4 than the Tories,; however, the Mail and the Telegraph tend to have the opposite point of view. It really does depend whose attitude you look at as to how they're biased.


I'm a small "c" conservative (and according to some on here, other words that begin with a "c" also describe me well), and I don't believe I'm naïve about British politics. I believe that Corbyn's direction of the Labour Party is the worst thing to happen in British politics for a long time - even worse than Blair's greed, lies and abuses of power IMHO. A far-left Labour Government has the potential to not only irreparably damage our nation but also to destabilize the West if elected (we are after all one of the cornerstone nations of NATO, the organization responsible for winning the Cold War with nary a shot). And the only thing standing between Corbyn and Number 10 is the Tory Party. After May's shockingly disastrous election last year, I'm very much a partisan observer; however that doesn't mean that if a Tory Home Secretary has been found to have lied to Parliament, she shouldn't resign her post in my opinion. This is one of those lines that any transgression against cannot be tolerated.


What do you expect them to say? "Great! Thanks very much, now you just get back to running the country and we'll wait till you screw up again before we have another go at you..." Now who's being naïve?
With ref to your last point, ANY labour person could say that Rudd mislead the house. This is because they have no idea if she lied, and they also know they couldnt say the same thing within the HoP!
Have a think how many times you have heard someone be accused of telling ties within the HoP.
To also be factual ANY labour person could say the HO or governments 'continued use' of the hostil environment policy, but shouldnt credit the wrong person, at the wrong time from a different party and government with it.

Its interesting to me to see the Corbynistas wholeheartedly adapting the concept of 'death by repeated soundbite' (even if he soundbite is false) and mass whataboutery.

But, thanks for deciding what I'd expect Labour to say ;)
 
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It is reported that, this morning, an incisive Piers Morgan asked her three times what Labour's policy is on the removal of illegal immigrants.
Apparently, she refused to answer the question three times.
He then tackled her on the question of the 'hostile environment ' having been initiated by Alan Johnson (Lab) - admitted by Johnson, Lady Nugee et al.
She responded saying that the party is under new management.
Ah, Labour under new manageent...........just like the Tories, just like the Lib Dems, just like the SNP.
I wonder what her point was supposed to be?
 
STEPHEN DOUGHTY.

surprise surprise, the above labour lacky has just been on Radio 5

Surprise surprise he mentioned the new Home Secrety needing to be judged on his actions not his words*
Every single labour lacky will use that phrase today and tomorrow as they are 'party line morons'!

To those who see past labours constant protests about what they 'won't do' Doughty of course didnt mention how Labour would solve the issue or say what Labour had in their GE manifesto to solve the issue (nothing).

*as for being judged on actions rather than words Labour are the prize winners here.
As part of their actiones to combat anti semitism they havent expelled or dealt with Livingstone, have accepted candidates who are anti semitic and have threatened to de select those who attended the protest to end anti semitism in the labour party !

For the sake of clarity, the fuckwit Doughty again said the hostile envirinment policy cam from PMTM..........a monkey could be trained to give a better interview!
 
I've just seen that screw faced harridan Cathy Newman shouting the odds at PMTM like she was some Socialist Worker soap dodger with purple hair.
IMHO Treeza should have stuck the nut on her reminded her she is 1 step up from the 3am girls and left her lying in the street.
 
You appear to have left out the part where you answered that question in your quote box :)
You appear to have misread the meaning of a question mark?

Be that as it may, I think you and I are probably more in agreement than not; my main difference of opinion being, just because IMHO the majority of Labour are a bunch of deleted expletives, that doesn't mean that the Tories should get a free pass in Government. Rudd had to go, she was caught having misled a Parliamentary committee, either intentionally or due to incompetence. Labour has had a field day (as you rightly point out, lying like cheap Naafi watches when it suits them) thanks to Rudd's failure.
 
You appear to have misread the meaning of a question mark?

Be that as it may, I think you and I are probably more in agreement than not; my main difference of opinion being, just because IMHO the majority of Labour are a bunch of deleted expletives, that doesn't mean that the Tories should get a free pass in Government. Rudd had to go, she was caught having misled a Parliamentary committee, either intentionally or due to incompetence. Labour has had a field day (as you rightly point out, lying like cheap Naafi watches when it suits them) thanks to Rudd's failure.
We are probably very close as you say.
Rudd shouldn't have had an easy time, and needed to be held to account.
There was eight years worth of material to work with and it shows just how rubbish labour are with their 'oppose everything' philosophy rather than their ability to give their alternative policy (they don't have one, which is a bit of a set back).

I was thinking back to 'new Labour' yesterday and remembering how many people thought Blair was a charismatic visionary and later thought Brown was less competant and too serious. Both Blair and Brown would have run rings around the Corbynistas attempt at gaining the moral highground over the windrush affair.

At the end of the day the last two tory leaders have continued with a flawed HO doctrine and that should be enough to bring their governments to account.
The Corbynista approach of repeating lies until their followers believe them is far too similar to other previous dictatorial regimes for my liking.

On the local TV news yesterday there were two women (at a Labour run protest*) who said they won't be happy until PMTM 'owns up' and admits the hostile environment was her idea!

*Labour 'spontaneous' protests in my neck of the woods seem to nearly always come with pre printed protest banners on pre made identical wooden handles...........just like state approving protests in China or other counties with oppresive regimes.
 
Watch out. Here come Hammond and Davidson:

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"Hammond, meanwhile, is planning a speech arguing that Thatcherite free market capitalism is no longer fit for purpose and that greater state intervention is needed to win over young voters attracted to Corbyn."

Ruth and Hammond's Radical New Tory Ideas: More Taxes, More Spending, More Regulation - Guido Fawkes

Some interesting comments, including a suggestion from one poster that Labour rename themselves the Communist Party and the Conservatives rename themselves as Labour as that would more accurately reflect their agendas.
 
Watch out. Here come Hammond and Davidson:

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"Hammond, meanwhile, is planning a speech arguing that Thatcherite free market capitalism is no longer fit for purpose and that greater state intervention is needed to win over young voters attracted to Corbyn."

Ruth and Hammond's Radical New Tory Ideas: More Taxes, More Spending, More Regulation - Guido Fawkes

Some interesting comments, including a suggestion from one poster that Labour rename themselves the Communist Party and the Conservatives rename themselves as Labour as that would more accurately reflect their agendas.




I think the last line is an accurate summation of where the two main parties are ideologically.

I was reading the earlier article about Cummings' scathing analysis of May's Brexit preparations - or complete lack thereof - and find myself agreeing with many of the comments. I think that if, as now seems inevitable, May makes an utter fnuck up of Brexit, then the Tories will be wiped out at the next election - and will thoroughly deserve that retribution.

Personally, I am now seriously assessing how my life in UK will change under a Corbyn "government".


7 Cummings Truth Bullets For Brexiter Tory MPs - Guido Fawkes
 
Watch out. Here come Hammond and Davidson:

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"Hammond, meanwhile, is planning a speech arguing that Thatcherite free market capitalism is no longer fit for purpose and that greater state intervention is needed to win over young voters attracted to Corbyn."

Ruth and Hammond's Radical New Tory Ideas: More Taxes, More Spending, More Regulation - Guido Fawkes

Some interesting comments, including a suggestion from one poster that Labour rename themselves the Communist Party and the Conservatives rename themselves as Labour as that would more accurately reflect their agendas.
At least it would be honest, we have New Labour masquerading as the Tory party, and the communist party hiding in Labours clothes
 

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Mrs M's snowplough seems still to be working.
 
She's running out of road to kick the can down though

Has any newspaper cartoonist yet used the kicking the can down the road phrase with an image of bending it like Beckham (with leopard skin boots)? If not, why not?

She's shoved it well past the summer solstice and into July. Then it will be the summer recess.
 
PMTM not popular amongst Conservative voters who called LBC's Andrew Pierce this evening regarding military funding vs NHS etc. A number of them said they will not be voting for her. One lady said that although she would no longer support or vote for PMTM she would cut her own throat before voting for Corbyn.

in other news, not limbo dancing exactly but how low can you go? :)

 
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