Mrs May - whither (or wither) the Tory Party

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It is obvious that Mrs May had realised that there is still a group of MPs that she has not pissed off so today she made her speech which now includes the MPs that supported her previous deals. Job done and dusted!
 
apparently the tax payer has already given british steel 100 million to pay the eu carbon tax for them - now they want another 30 million - if we bail them out again we need a proper strategy to make what they do pay - if we cant do that then we are simply pissing into the wind
Agree, there needs to be an effective strategy to make it pay; but if Corbyn gets in, likely BS will be nationalised anyway - at a greater cost than a bailout.
 
It is obvious that Mrs May had realised that there is still a group of MPs that she has not pissed off so today she made her speech which now includes the MPs that supported her previous deals. Job done and dusted!
More faux conservatives that are contributing to the death by a thousand cuts of conservatism and, more fool them She will kerb kick them without a second thought, to cosy up too Labour.
 
It is obvious that Mrs May had realised that there is still a group of MPs that she has not pissed off so today she made her speech which now includes the MPs that supported her previous deals. Job done and dusted!
Just tried watching it on the BBC only made it halfway through. Fcuk me Corbyn could have been giving the same speech. Although he would not have chosen 'Price-Waterhouse Cooper' as a venue.

Given Price-Waterhouse Cooper's reputation for sloppy accounting and the lack of support for Brexit that was not good framing either, by those who programmed the 'Maybot'.
 
Simples, you don’t allow anybody educated at Eaton or studied PPE at Oxford Uni, anywhere near a job as an MP let alone a minister. And there should be legislation to stop them, best make sure least they get their hands on the tillers again eh?
Eaton? A small village in Cheshire?
Or Eton College, where spelling and grammar are taught as well as geography?

Sadly Cameron's father wasted the cost of educating his son in history.
 

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Those whom the God's would destroy and all that...

What is left of her brain has decided to take a final flight of fancy.
She'll be gone before June. I doubt if she'll even be allowed to put her revised offer to Parliament. By way of an added bonus, she may have pushed the Tory vote into single figures on Thursday.

I repeat my earlier statement that May has an undiagnosed mental condition. Even by her high standards, this was an epic miscalculation that could only have been made by someone not fully connected to reality.

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this was an epic miscalculation that could only have been made by someone not fully connected to reality.
Or a deliberate attempt to kick the can into the long grass. Nobody can be as inept as PMTM appears to be.

Here's a flight of fancy...
  • General election comes into play
  • Labour win enough seats to form a minority government* with:
  • LibDems who set the price of confidence and supply at revoke A50 for an unspecified time being.
  • Conservatives, out of power smugly say: "it wasn't us, we wanted to deliver Brexit but Labour/LibDem killed it.

Arch Remainer Theresa May has obeyed orders from Brussels and delivered Remain and the Conservatives salvage some respect from the electorate. A term later and and Steptoe will be out, Tories in - status quo restored and lets have no more of this silly Brexit nonsense,


*Brexit Party, (not a game changer in this scenario), are not ready to fight a GE. It is unlikely it will ever be (UKIP refers).
 
She'll be gone before June. I doubt if she'll even be allowed to put her revised offer to Parliament. By way of an added bonus, she may have pushed the Tory vote into single figures on Thursday.

I repeat my earlier statement that May has an undiagnosed mental condition. Even by her high standards, this was an epic miscalculation that could only have been made by someone not fully connected to reality.

Wordsmith
It could be the diabetes, if you don't manage it well it can do all sorts of nasty things
 
This is the political conundrum, that will never be discussed, honestly. Its also clearly a tactic to talk down the fact that its an Indian company.
No, it is actually British and owned by Greybull Capital. BRITISH STEEL LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House)
They bought Tata steel making assets and officially started British Steel Limited in 2016. It is easy to get confused because of associations with British Steel as was and Tata (or should that be Tatty bye?)
ETA Where we've come from | British Steel
 
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No, it is actually British and owned by Greybull Capital. BRITISH STEEL LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House)
They bought Tata steel making assets and officially started British Steel Limited in 2016.
That makes we feel better about them getting Government support, as it clearly is a strategic asset, especially in specialist steel R&D. Ta for the info pleased to be corrected. I don't remember that point being made clearly by 'Sourfaced Soubry' over Port Talbot being shut down, was it a year or two ago.
 

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It could be the diabetes, if you don't manage it well it can do all sorts of nasty things
I have heard that suggestion before. In this case, I am inclined to think that's not the explanation. May is PM of Great Britain. I find it difficult to believe that as PM, she is not receiving first class medical care for diabetes. In addition, as May knows she has diabetes and that not managing it will affect her performance as PM (a job she has desperately tried to cling onto), I find it difficult to believe she would not take great care with her insulin/sugar balance so as to give herself the best chance of performing well as PM.

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That makes we feel better about them getting Government support, as it clearly is a strategic asset, especially in specialist steel R&D. Ta for the info pleased to be corrected. I don't remember that point being made clearly by 'Sourfaced Soubry' over Port Talbot being shut down, was it a year or two ago.
No problem. I don't remember all the details myself so had too look it up. I updated that reply with a link to the official site Where we've come from | British Steel but hopefully they won't mind me quoting them for convenience:

Prior to the sale, our business was part of Tata Steel in Europe (formerly known as Corus).

In 1999, Corus was formed through the merger of British Steel and Koninklijke Hoogovens.
To find out more about the former British Steel, please click here.
Times are changing in the steel industry and we’re moving with them. Our steel has been fundamental in creating iconic, awe-inspiring structures around the world - ones that take your breath away. Our steel has helped people travel, eat, and enjoy themselves!

We take great pride in our history and heritage. Not many companies can claim to have generations of families dedicating their working lives to one company, one industry. Steel gets into your blood and this drives the passion of our workforce. And these two values deliver our third – performance – delivering the products our customers want now and in the future.
 
She'll be gone before June. I doubt if she'll even be allowed to put her revised offer to Parliament. By way of an added bonus, she may have pushed the Tory vote into single figures on Thursday.

I repeat my earlier statement that May has an undiagnosed mental condition. Even by her high standards, this was an epic miscalculation that could only have been made by someone not fully connected to reality.

Wordsmith
I think at some point there needs to be an enquiry into how she has operated. I'm sure that once she's gone there will be lots of stories coming out as to just how bad she has been.
 

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I have heard that suggestion before. In this case, I am inclined to think that's not the explanation. May is PM of Great Britain. I find it difficult to believe that as PM, she is not receiving first class medical care for diabetes. In addition, as May knows she has diabetes and that not managing it will affect her performance as PM (a job she has desperately tried to cling onto), I find it difficult to believe she would not take great care with her insulin/sugar balance so as to give herself the best chance of performing well as PM.

Wordsmith
She has Type 1 and has a permanent monitor on her body, the kind of device that her Govt has forbade the NHS to invest in or even suggest for patients until earlier this year.
May1.jpg
 
Or a deliberate attempt to kick the can into the long grass. Nobody can be as inept as PMTM appears to be.

Here's a flight of fancy...
  • General election comes into play
  • Labour win enough seats to form a minority government* with:
  • LibDems who set the price of confidence and supply at revoke A50 for an unspecified time being.
  • Conservatives, out of power smugly say: "it wasn't us, we wanted to deliver Brexit but Labour/LibDem killed it.

Arch Remainer Theresa May has obeyed orders from Brussels and delivered Remain and the Conservatives salvage some respect from the electorate. A term later and and Steptoe will be out, Tories in - status quo restored and lets have no more of this silly Brexit nonsense,


*Brexit Party, (not a game changer in this scenario), are not ready to fight a GE. It is unlikely it will ever be (UKIP refers).
Watch their rally in London at Olympia tonight. It's well worth the 30 mins. One thing Farage said is once Thursday is over they will start the next process for a GE. They already have something on their website for people to apply. He's dead set on smashing Westminster.

The Brexit genie is out of the bottle and the Brexit Party are on the war path. If they can keep doing what they are doing and Brexit still hasn't been delivered by 2022 then they'll win enough seats to make them a serious party and one capable of building towards being in power.
 

Wordsmith

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I think at some point there needs to be an enquiry into how she has operated. I'm sure that once she's gone there will be lots of stories coming out as to just how bad she has been.
I'm doubt there will be an inquiry - too many Tory skeletons would see the light of day and there will be serious concerns about how members of the CS - Sedwill among them - usurped the functions of Cabinet. Far too embarrassing for the 'Establishment'.

But I expect some highly revealing leaks to the newspapers and some truly sensational books over the next few months.

Wordsmith
 
Watch their rally in London at Olympia tonight. It's well worth the 30 mins. One thing Farage said is once Thursday is over they will start the next process for a GE. They already have something on their website for people to apply. He's dead set on smashing Westminster.

The Brexit genie is out of the bottle and the Brexit Party are on the war path. If they can keep doing what they are doing and Brexit still hasn't been delivered by 2022 then they'll win enough seats to make them a serious party and one capable of building towards being in power.
I think that the 'hype and hysteria' surrounding the Brexit party will fade long before we get to fixed term GE. By then Brexit will have either happened or it will have been quietly consigned to the 'a good idea but before its time' bin.

A GE in the much nearer future and TBP would be a force to be reckoned with... except it won't be because it is not ready or capable of fighting a general election.

Farage is not a stayer either. As momentum fades he'll lose interest and after a fanfare departure, will go back to his comfortable obscurity (perhaps as an MEP, perhaps not).
 
I have heard that suggestion before. In this case, I am inclined to think that's not the explanation. May is PM of Great Britain. I find it difficult to believe that as PM, she is not receiving first class medical care for diabetes. In addition, as May knows she has diabetes and that not managing it will affect her performance as PM (a job she has desperately tried to cling onto), I find it difficult to believe she would not take great care with her insulin/sugar balance so as to give herself the best chance of performing well as PM.

Wordsmith
I’m convinced now (and obvious though it may seem) she has 2, maybe 3 advisors who she listens to and absolutely no one else. I also believe, perhaps on her advisors’ advice, she cuts herself off from all forms of media whether it’s watching, reading or listening, as that, as she sees it, could influence her thought process and decision making. Her advisors in turn are telling her she’s doing a fantastic job.
 
Or a deliberate attempt to kick the can into the long grass. Nobody can be as inept as PMTM appears to be.

Here's a flight of fancy...
  • General election comes into play
  • Labour win enough seats to form a minority government* with:
  • LibDems who set the price of confidence and supply at revoke A50 for an unspecified time being.
  • Conservatives, out of power smugly say: "it wasn't us, we wanted to deliver Brexit but Labour/LibDem killed it.

Arch Remainer Theresa May has obeyed orders from Brussels and delivered Remain and the Conservatives salvage some respect from the electorate. A term later and and Steptoe will be out, Tories in - status quo restored and lets have no more of this silly Brexit nonsense,


*Brexit Party, (not a game changer in this scenario), are not ready to fight a GE. It is unlikely it will ever be (UKIP refers).
Dangerous game to play, there is a growing attitude of why should we bother, living within the law. With the results of democratic voting being dismissed, by political jiggery pokery across parliament. Why should we bother to pay taxes if transnational corporations seem to not have too. False and cloned number plate increasingly used to avoid fines, and who cares about insurance... This drip drip drip of undermining the rule of Law and institutions of State by the political class is typified by the 'maybot'.

Her clearly faulty thinking in making decisions too under-fund the police, prisons, border force and immigration, to name but a few, is symtomatic of that type of thinking..

This fraying of the encouragement of personal investment into the societal norms that bind us is likely to take another hit, with some of the proposed security legislation being considered by the EU. The nothing to hid nothing to fear trope is not a good ideology to base socialist security on, especially when this country's policing is based on consent, and the judiciary on innocent until proven guilty.


I do sometimes think that while firearm ownership, even before the various bans was not particularly wide spread outside of the countryside, unlike as it is in the US. But the thought and fear of an personal armed citizenry, and again not even a wide spread one, scares the bejesus out of Government... That is happy to embrace tyranny. Little wonder that Blair must have thanked his lucky stars when 'Dunblane, happened.
 

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