Mrs May - whither (or wither) the Tory Party

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A snap general election would need the Labour Party to agree to it to get round the fixed parliament act, and I'm not sure they really want that despite their posturing
Quite simple really, Tory MP set up to move a VoNC and Tories lined up to vote for it. Labour would have to vote for it or be seen to be supporting Mrs May. Job jobbed.
 
Quite simple really, Tory MP set up to move a VoNC and Tories lined up to vote for it. Labour would have to vote for it or be seen to be supporting Mrs May. Job jobbed.
Yes. If PMTM can't get a deal through and No Deal is not acceptable, then we're into the shifting the blame game. The obvious choice is to go to the country.
 

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And that assume that Tories will vote for Christmas which isn't guaranteed
If May decided to go that route then I am sure she would get (whip) enough Tories to get it through.
 
An early GE as discussed earlier.
Sorry, my bad. What I meant was "an early GE? To what end?"

Especially considering Javid's statement today, I'd say it's vanishingly unlikely for the Tories to call an early GE, UNLESS there's a mahoosive change in the polls...
 
Ouch, Boris really sticks the knife into Sadiq Khan


Eleven years ago the Met instituted Operation Blunt 2 - taking 11,000 knives off the streets of London. This led to a serious fall in knife crime & the murder rate.

The present Mayor now claims it will take 10 years to solve rising knife crime. This is simply not good enough
 
Ouch, Boris really sticks the knife into Sadiq Khan
The Met strength under Boris was around 31,398

Have police numbers risen or fallen under Boris Johnson?

Currently (October 2018, last figures i could see) it is 29,654

We'll leave aside the critical collapse in the CID which has led to direct entry from the public (which on some boroughs has an 80% drop out rate from what I hear). These are the people who should be picking up stabbings.

Murder rates have dropped due to a lack of qualified and experienced DC's. If the direct entry stay (which is an if), there are not enough to do the normal CID work and then re-stock the Specialist Operations commands like Homicide, or Counter-Terrorism, for example.

I wonder who it was who was Home Secretary who caused the structural "reforms" which Sajid Javid is having to take up the bum and reverse without mentioning?

And whilst we are on the subject of bloody incompetent people, when will Grayling be fired?

The railways are shite; and he's just led to a national humiliation over this ferry nonsense.

Brexit: sack Grayling over ferry fiasco, demand MPs

Where was any due dilligence to this?

Have Brexit by all means, but for God's sake plan it a bit more thoroughly. Not like the infinite monkey cage hoping it will be fine if we keep mashing the typewriter keys.
 
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And whilst we are on the subject of bloody incompetent people, when will Grayling be fired?

The railways are shite; and he's just led to a national humiliation over this ferry nonsense.

Brexit: sack Grayling over ferry fiasco, demand MPs

Where was any due dilligence to this?...............................
In fairness to Failing Grayling, I think he has been badly served by his civil servants on this one.

It is the civil servants who should have been doing the necessary due diligence checks before handing it to Grayling for signing it off. Grayling's fault was, perhaps, not asking the question "Are you sure this company is right, proper and fit for purpose?"

I doubt we will see the civil servants responsible being shown the door....it never happens in their well-insulated world.
 

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In fairness to Failing Grayling, I think he has been badly served by his civil servants on this one.

It is the civil servants who should have been doing the necessary due diligence checks before handing it to Grayling for signing it off. Grayling's fault was, perhaps, not asking the question "Are you sure this company is right, proper and fit for purpose?"

I doubt we will see the civil servants responsible being shown the door....it never happens in their well-insulated world.
Well Grayling is The Secretary for Transport, he is the boss and surely if you are putting your signature to something you should have the where with all to check and ask certain questions. And if you can’t think of any questions or you are not sure what to check and ask then you are obviously not up to muster.

Grayling is a walking disaster and lets face it, he’s in good company.
 
The Met strength under Boris was around 31,398

Have police numbers risen or fallen under Boris Johnson?

Currently (October 2018, last figures i could see) it is 29,654

We'll leave aside the critical collapse in the CID which has led to direct entry from the public (which on some boroughs has an 80% drop out rate from what I hear). These are the people who should be picking up stabbings.

Murder rates have dropped due to a lack of qualified and experienced DC's. If the direct entry stay (which is an if), there are not enough to do the normal CID work and then re-stock the Specialist Operations commands like Homicide, or Counter-Terrorism, for example.

I wonder who it was who was Home Secretary who caused the structural "reforms" which Sajid Javid is having to take up the bum and reverse without mentioning?

And whilst we are on the subject of bloody incompetent people, when will Grayling be fired?

The railways are shite; and he's just led to a national humiliation over this ferry nonsense.

Brexit: sack Grayling over ferry fiasco, demand MPs

Where was any due dilligence to this?

Have Brexit by all means, but for God's sake plan it a bit more thoroughly. Not like the infinite monkey cage hoping it will be fine if we keep mashing the typewriter keys.
Frankly not much changes and it’s not all about Brexit or at least Brexit is being blamed for standard ambition/contract failure. The Railways have been shite since Nationalisation and demographics change. We do not do things the same as 70 years ago. To pretend we do, which is a norm is really crap. As to the Ferry thing, it’s always Been speculative. Dartford Ferry lines folded just like that. It can’t be run on short term speculation. Ships are expensive and there’s only so many available, moreover capacity is key. If the Expess is correct and we fall back on WT0 rules, not much will change overnight. But the more I’ve been reading into this, the more I am convinced that political foresight has been severely lacking. Who the hell doesn’t put withdrawal or limitation clauses into treaties?
As to your previous point it just goes to show that these trends have nothing to do with police numbers. The ability to prevent or detect crime is one thing, the mentality of entitlement of those that commit the crimes quite another.
 
As to your previous point it just goes to show that these trends have nothing to do with police numbers. The ability to prevent or detect crime is one thing, the mentality of entitlement of those that commit the crimes quite another.
Indeed, but the ability to control the commission of the crimes is the duty of the Home Office.

With effectively unpoliced streets (other than blue light response), I am simply surprised that the crime rates are not higher. Your chance of detection by disruptive police action must be significantly lower than when I was a junior detective, expected (for example) to go out and proactively target burglars as well as the reactive criminal investigation.

So to that extent; I respectfully disagree. Crime (or the relative frequency of it) can be influenced by numbers. The more police the more the freedom to conduct proactive operations (depending on targets set as well, you can have all the cops you like, if you have perverse incentives it won't work) .

You know, "proactive operations" like the ones that they called the fewer number of officers in off rest days to mount as publicity. Or the ones they do the week before the annual Notting Hill Stabathon. Or December when Trump is in town...

There aren't more officers, it is the same number of exhausted officers doing more days on (which they won't get back).

But hey, she got to be PM. So, what's that Dre - got something to say?!

 
Well Grayling is The Secretary for Transport, he is the boss and surely if you are putting your signature to something you should have the where with all to check and ask certain questions. And if you can’t think of any questions or you are not sure what to check and ask then you are obviously not up to muster.

Grayling is a walking disaster and lets face it, he’s in good company.

We may never know whether or not Failing asked the appropriate questions. As you are probably aware, the CS is very good at keeping such delicacies out of the public gaze, especially if it makes them uncomfortable.

If he didn't ask then its down to him. If he did ask and the CS did a "Sir Humphrey" on him that begs the question does the CS have its own agenda over Brexit? We'll probably find out in 30 years time, by which time I won't be around to read all about it.

As for Failing himself, I think he would have difficulty running a bath.
 
Indeed, but the ability to control the commission of the crimes is the duty of the Home Office.

With effectively unpoliced streets (other than blue light response), I am simply surprised that the crime rates are not higher. Your chance of detection by disruptive police action must be significantly lower than when I was a junior detective, expected (for example) to go out and proactively target burglars as well as the reactive criminal investigation.

So to that extent; I respectfully disagree. Crime (or the relative frequency of it) can be influenced by numbers. The more police the more the freedom to conduct proactive operations (depending on targets set as well, you can have all the cops you like, if you have perverse incentives it won't work) .

You know, "proactive operations" like the ones that they called the fewer number of officers in off rest days to mount as publicity. Or the ones they do the week before the annual Notting Hill Stabathon. Or December when Trump is in town...

There aren't more officers, it is the same number of exhausted officers doing more days on (which they won't get back).

But hey, she got to be PM. So, what's that Dre - got something to say?!

It goes deeper than that. It’s a systematic malaise and it’s not limited to The U.K. Just trawling through the threads on here shows that Governments have created a monster they can’t control and it is an international problem. 90% of people wouldn’tbreak The law, they will however grasp opportunity when they can. Nor does it help that despite the blandishments of politicians, the state only has an interest in the crime it wants to control as proved time and again with the SFO (it’s equivalents).
Shortage of staff is an endemic problem, it will never be solved. The simple solution for me for some time now is to stop making laws, that there are already laws for, stop siloing and go back to the basics that belong to being Constables. “To apply the law without fear or favour “ .
 

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