Mrs May - whither (or wither) the Tory Party

the last short term (13 years) socialist government managed to screw us over:

1. Mortgaged the tax payer to the hilt for 30 years with PFI
2. Destroyed UK education standards by making exams easier and discredited qualifications by grossly overloading degrees
3. Allowed Open door mass immigration with no controls
4. Sold of the Gold reserves at the cheapest level
5. Grossly disensentivised work by massive expansion of the welfare state and burdening the tax system
6. Took us in to an illegal war
7. Pardoned IRA murderers
8. Gave the home nations devolution
9. Instigated the conditions which led to Brexit
10. Spent every penny in the kitty, slackened controls on banks etc and left us completely vulnerable to the crash

Please don't tell me a socialist govt is only a short term problem!
So a labour government was elected for three terms... how did / could that possibly happen? Surely the electorate would have stopped them in their tracks if they were as bad as you say they were...

Labour Party politics, policies and style of government are not my cup of tea at all but then, they are only ever in power for a relatively short and survivable term. We all have to live with things we dislike from time to time but unlike a lot of people in this world, we have the collective power -call it democracy if you will - to change those things.

Yes, I am quite comfortable with the notion that whilst government is a long term business, the duration of any particular stripe of government is very short term.

Out of curiousity, do you also use terminology like 'Liabor', 'Bliar' etc to enunciate your abject dislike of the Labour Party?
 
To be honest I find it all rather funny when people bang on about "unelected politicians" in Europe....

Sometimes people seem to forget we have a second chamber.
To be fair, the Other House only sensor check, frustrate, delay, challenge, reject and amend proposed legislation, they don't create it
 
The oily Gove has changed the record from “back May or risk no deal” to “back May or risk no Brexit”.

Project fear is picking up speed.
You wonder what he's been offered come/if the WA going through
 
Hasn't Corbyn, and Momentum, moved Labour further to the Left? Will it be New New Labour aka Marxist/communist as John McDonnell advocates? And no, I don't use those terms although I do despise Blair.
Is a government, (regardless of its political persuasion, duly elected for a term of five years a dictatorship?

Do you understand the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship?
 
Do you understand the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship?
Not a lot in it if you consider Germany 1933. After a democratic election, Hitler was appointed Chancellor and proceeded to 'democratucally' introduce 'The Enabling Act' of March 1933 which effectively transformed te democracy into a dictatorship.
 

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Do you understand the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship?
One can easily become the other though it tends to act one way only. The major exception of nations being Greece.
 
Is a government, (regardless of its political persuasion, duly elected for a term of five years a dictatorship?

Do you understand the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship?
Is a government, (regardless of its political persuasion, duly elected for a term of five years a dictatorship?

Do you understand the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship?
A rather patronising question, but yes I do. Do you understand the difference between Labour and Momentum?
 
A rather patronising question, but yes I do. Do you understand the difference between Labour and Momentum?
Not patronising at all... let me remind you of your words that gave rise to the question..
Corbyn will do whatever it takes to get power; then he will do whatever it takes to keep power - that is how left wing dictatorships work.
 
To be honest all it does is confirm that TM either:

1. Deliberately grossly understated how legally difficult it would be to get out of the backstop

or

2. Is a completely gullible, clueless, easily led, imbecile with absolutely no concept of the shenanigans integral to real world deal making

There is no other explanation - will someone please pass her the Mess Webley!
iirc she is a remainer.Perhaps she's not too bothered if it all goes Pete Tong?
 
Not sure you have seen this, it's taken off Guidos site and is the Conservative Home result - in house Tory survey.
The other thing of note is International Development Secretary Penny Mordaunt has had a busy morning following dozens of local Conservative association accounts on Twitter. Is this the 2018 equivalent of installing banks of telephone lines..?
This is I think a precursor to a Leadership bid if the key Brexit vote is a total disaster and she is monumentally drubbed!
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Just been perusing the Sky news graphic Brexit deal: How is your MP expected to vote? Truly staggering the amount of Remain MP's that are representing areas that voted leave and are ignoring the will of the people.

Hope they get voted out in the next election
Mine, Jenny Chapman of Darlington, appears to be one and is also the Shadow Brexit Minister. Sold out her constituents for advancement under JC and the sad thing is that up to now had been a good constituency MP.

All the same under the skin, I should have known.
 
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Just been perusing the Sky news graphic Brexit deal: How is your MP expected to vote? Truly staggering the amount of Remain MP's that are representing areas that voted leave and are ignoring the will of the people.

Hope they get voted out in the next election
Mine (Trudy Harrison, Copeland) has woken up & smelled reality, as she's now said she'll vote against the craven submission WA.
 
One can easily become the other though it tends to act one way only. The major exception of nations being Greece.
Indeed... Spain 1939 - 75 under Franco and then back again.

Not a lot in it if you consider Germany 1933. After a democratic election, Hitler was appointed Chancellor and proceeded to 'democratucally' introduce 'The Enabling Act' of March 1933 which effectively transformed te democracy into a dictatorship.
What do you mean, 'not a lot in it'? You even say, 'effectively transformed the democracy into a dictatorship'. i'd venture that those who lived through Hitler's dictatorship and survived into democracy may have felt there was a lot in it... those that lived through the communist regime of the eastern bloc may have felt there was a huge difference between dictatorship and democracy.

You are perhaps confusing the act of transformation from one state to the other with the huge disparity between the two states.

Think of light and dark... easy to transform a windowless room from one to the other but the two conditions have no similarities.
 
Indeed... Spain 1939 - 75 under Franco and then back again.


What do you mean, 'not a lot in it'? You even say, 'effectively transformed the democracy into a dictatorship'. i'd venture that those who lived through Hitler's dictatorship and survived into democracy may have felt there was a lot in it... those that lived through the communist regime of the eastern bloc may have felt there was a huge difference between dictatorship and democracy.

You are perhaps confusing the act of transformation from one state to the other with the huge disparity between the two states.

Think of light and dark... easy to transform a windowless room from one to the other but the two conditions have no similarities.
My point was intended to illustrate, in an Orwellian sense, that there may be little 'travel' between the two states - as I think you alude to. The repercussions on the other hand,, I fully agree, were enormous..

ETA I await the outcome of the governments attempted deceit of parliament and people with interest - different and incomparable situations, but the application nonetheless of the same basic process. Makes the 'news' quite anticipatory.
 
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