Mrs May - whither (or wither) the Tory Party

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#1
Comrade Corbyn had been getting, initially a bashing on his own thread leading to a realisation that he is possibly there for the long run and there is a small (hopefully negligible) possibility of him occupying No10.

Mrs May has had her opportunity and it seems that her authority is leaking away on a daily basis. Certainly the EU don't seem to rate her.

The question though is about the Tory Party, is Brexit crushing the party and putting it in a position whereby it splits and never again holds any real hold on British politics?

She is currently on the Marr Show and is not sounding as dynamic a leader as may be needed.

Is the Tory Party in unsavable decline? Are the grey brigade finished and politics now for the young (er) generations?
 

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#3
Comrade Corbyn had been getting, initially a bashing on his own thread leading to a realisation that he is possibly there for the long run and there is a small (hopefully negligible) possibility of him occupying No10.

Mrs May has had her opportunity and it seems that her authority is leaking away on a daily basis. Certainly the EU don't seem to rate her.

The question though is about the Tory Party, is Brexit crushing the party and putting it in a position whereby it splits and never again holds any real hold on British politics?

She is currently on the Marr Show and is not sounding as dynamic a leader as may be needed.

Is the Tory Party in unsavable decline? Are the grey brigade finished and politics now for the young (er) generations?
You aren’t going to like today’s Times. Headline plus article on how she was after the election victory.
 
#5
May is a car crash and has suffered a complete collapse in self-confidence made worse by the Machiavellian scheming of Bo-Jo et al. The latter is to the Conservative Party what Dianne Abbot is to the Labour party - a borderline nutjob who consistently fails to engage brain before mouth.

The Conservative Party conference is going to look like a panic in a cracked Space Shuttle just after launch.

I seriously doubt there's a single Conservative politician who can step-up and that includes the Witch Finder General Mogg. He who was last seen at midnight in Parliment Square trying to pull down Cromwell's statue!
 
#6
Comrade Corbyn had been getting, initially a bashing on his own thread leading to a realisation that he is possibly there for the long run and there is a small (hopefully negligible) possibility of him occupying No10.

Mrs May has had her opportunity and it seems that her authority is leaking away on a daily basis. Certainly the EU don't seem to rate her.

The question though is about the Tory Party, is Brexit crushing the party and putting it in a position whereby it splits and never again holds any real hold on British politics?

She is currently on the Marr Show and is not sounding as dynamic a leader as may be needed.

Is the Tory Party in unsavable decline? Are the grey brigade finished and politics now for the young (er) generations?
I agree that her authority appears to be leaking in the run up to the parade of ego's that is the Conservative Party conference but it isn't a surprise that the EU don't rate her and nor does it count against her as PM, in fact it's a positive for her in my opinion.

I seriously doubt this Brexit is crushing the Conservatives, like me you're old enough to remember the internal party battles over joining the EU under Heath, how long that went on afterwards and the number of times the Conservatives were in government since. Do you seriously think the ramifications within the Conservative Party over Brexit will be worse than that?

May never sounds dynamic, she's a plodder and that's what is needed at the moment. Once Brexit is over, and I hope for her party's sake it's not before, then she should be sidelined and a more positive figure take over, just as long as it isn't Boris or Hammond.

As I posted in the Scottish Politics Thread, Ruth Davidson, Nicola Sturgeons Tag partner, is making a bid for the Leadership on the eve of the Conservative Party conference so maybe she's being lined up for the next PM behind the scenes.
 
#7
Comrade Corbyn had been getting, initially a bashing on his own thread leading to a realisation that he is possibly there for the long run and there is a small (hopefully negligible) possibility of him occupying No10.

Mrs May has had her opportunity and it seems that her authority is leaking away on a daily basis. Certainly the EU don't seem to rate her.

The question though is about the Tory Party, is Brexit crushing the party and putting it in a position whereby it splits and never again holds any real hold on British politics?

She is currently on the Marr Show and is not sounding as dynamic a leader as may be needed.

Is the Tory Party in unsavable decline? Are the grey brigade finished and politics now for the young (er) generations?
If the EU don't rate her, as you suggest, that's a good thing, Shirley?
 
#8
The problem is May. She ran an inept campaign. She's not a leader, she's a technocrat.
Exactly. She'll be gone long before the next election to be replaced either by Boris or David Davis.

The polls that predicted a 20 point Tory lead were obviously bolleaux. Despite that, losing seats to a basket case like Corbyn's Labour party was akin to Man U going down 5 nil to Acrington Stanley. Diane Abbott alone should have wiped out Labour.

Who the hell thought putting massive tax increases into a manifesto was a vote winner while the opposition claimed to have an entire forest of magic money trees? Doesn't matter. PMTM was captain of that particular ship so it's her fault.
 
#10
The question though is about the Tory Party, is Brexit crushing the party and putting it in a position whereby it splits and never again holds any real hold on British politics?
Perhaps a split would be for the best, indeed for labour too?

IMO, many people of the country have been hacked off with the move by both major parties towards the centre.

If there were a full on Tories party, a centre right, centrist labour party and a full retard socialist party then at least people would have a choice.
 
#11
Who the hell thought putting massive tax increases into a manifesto was a vote winner while the opposition claimed to have an entire forest of magic money trees? Doesn't matter. PMTM was captain of that particular ship so it's her fault.
Let's not forget fox hunting was in the manifesto.

Young people might have been turned by that
 
#12
I agree that her authority appears to be leaking in the run up to the parade of ego's that is the Conservative Party conference but it isn't a surprise that the EU don't rate her and nor does it count against her as PM, in fact it's a positive for her in my opinion.

I seriously doubt this Brexit is crushing the Conservatives, like me you're old enough to remember the internal party battles over joining the EU under Heath, how long that went on afterwards and the number of times the Conservatives were in government since. Do you seriously think the ramifications within the Conservative Party over Brexit will be worse than that?

May never sounds dynamic, she's a plodder and that's what is needed at the moment. Once Brexit is over, and I hope for her party's sake it's not before, then she should be sidelined and a more positive figure take over, just as long as it isn't Boris or Hammond.

As I posted in the Scottish Politics Thread, Ruth Davidson, Nicola Sturgeons Tag partner, is making a bid for the Leadership on the eve of the Conservative Party conference so maybe she's being lined up for the next PM behind the scenes.
Ruth Davidson is not an MP at Westminster. How can she even get leadership of the Conservative party let alone next PM?
 
#13
The problem is May. She ran an inept campaign. She's not a leader, she's a technocrat.
Not helped by the media, either - who seemed to be all over any gob from Labour and the shouting Momentum hordes, lapping up their fibs and not giving more than lip service to any policy clarifications coming from CCHQ.

Take the elderly care policy. All we heard in the media was the likes of Flabbott and Nugee screeching "The Tories will steal your house," as if LAs don't already bag your gaff if you go into care, whilst panicking elderlies who hadn't bothered to read up on exactly what the plan was were crying down the 'phone to leftie talk radio hosts, who gleefully lapped it all up.

I think I heard an explanation how it would actually work (and that it was actually a better arrangement for people than the current system) just once, accompanied by spin and fibs from the presenter and a lot of shouting-down BS from the Momentum camp.

Whom we'll be once again seeing the true colours of as they "protest" at the Tory conference. I wonder who they'll threaten to rape this year, and will it actually be a Tory this time...?
 
#17
I've been a long term Conservative supporter and also in favour of breaking away from the EU.
However, I've despaired for many years how the Tories have desperately tried to appeal to all, by shifting more and more to the centre ground (@Baglock point above).
I don't want them to be too far to the right, but in their desire to shed the 'nasty party' label (the current Labour shower can give them lessons in that*) they have become almost unrecognisable. Add to the mix the in fighting, which, let's be honest, EVERY political party suffers from and it becomes an unedifying spectacle.
The Party will not be forgiven if they carry on with this naval gazing and could find themselves in the wilderness for years to come if they somehow manage to cede power to the PLP.
For goodness sake, sort it out and get on with what you were voted in to do - let's not forget, they received 42% of the vote at the General Election. Successfully deliver a timely departure from the basket case known as the EU and just as important, sort out the many problems faced by the UK. If that is under Theresa May's leadership, I don't really care, just govern!

* If you want to witness a truly nasty party (or cult) at work, stand by for the scenes of howling rage from the Momentum crowd outside the conference centre over the next few days, just like hordes of Conservatives howled down the Labour lot last week - oh wait, they didn't did they?
 
#18
Not helped by the media, either - who seemed to be all over any gob from Labour and the shouting Momentum hordes, lapping up their fibs and not giving more than lip service to any policy clarifications coming from CCHQ.

Take the elderly care policy. All we heard in the media was the likes of Flabbott and Nugee screeching "The Tories will steal your house," as if LAs don't already bag your gaff if you go into care, whilst panicking elderlies who hadn't bothered to read up on exactly what the plan was were crying down the 'phone to leftie talk radio hosts, who gleefully lapped it all up.
Or maybe instead of blaming 'The left' accept that the conservative party manifesto was arrogantly conceived by out of touch spads and was guaranteed to be unpopular?
 

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#19
Ruth Davidson is not an MP at Westminster. How can she even get leadership of the Conservative party let alone next PM?
Probably the same way as Alec Douglas Home!
 
#20
Or maybe instead of blaming 'The left' accept that the conservative party manifesto was arrogantly conceived by out of touch spads and was guaranteed to be unpopular?
I was blaming the media but never mind.
 

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