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Mr King Kong to direct Dambusters ??

#4
considering the excellent job he did of remaking King Kong this is looking good,

hmmm Peter Jackson doing WW2 movies? i'v allways wanted to see a movie about the raid on St. Nazaire to blow up the dry dock. now theres a story waiting to be told.
 
#5
Does this mean we'll get the Canadian Lanc and PA474 in the sky together? Can NX611 "Just Jane" be made airworthy again?

This is exciting, especially with 100 mil to play with.
 
#6
PartTimePongo said:
Does this mean we'll get the Canadian Lanc and PA474 in the sky together? Can NX611 "Just Jane" be made airworthy again?

This is exciting, especially with 100 mil to play with.
Not when you can use CGI (with which, after King Kong and LOTR, one can argue that Jackson has something of a passing familiarity) for a lot less cash. I don't think the insurance companies would look too fondly on the possibility of using live action to recreate the kind of flying 617 did, plus the mission was flown at night (easier to replicate on computer). You also have to consider that the Lancs would require modification. Then there's the fact that techniques and processing power have progressed by half a decade since the likes of LOTR.
 
#8
PartTimePongo said:
I just wanted an excuse for CWH to make that trip across the pond with their Lanc :)
Well, it'll take someone with that sort of bank to persuade the Canadians' insurance company. On a brighter note, such action would not be unprecedented. Recall if you will, James Cameron and the Discovery Channel sponsoring a mission for ROVs to enter the wreck of Titanic- something the operators wouldn't otherwise do because they were afraid of losing them. But even then, you can always build another ROV...
 
#9
The good thing about Peter Jackson doing it is he has the capability to fund it himself, thus keeping full directorial control. Therefore he will not be swayed by Hollywood producers who would like to see the American involvement in the raid "bigged up". I know that Peter Jackson gets passionate about the films he makes; having read the MoS piece I think I can say this film could be a likely candidate for Top 3 war films. edited to add last sentance

Much as I would like to see 12 Merlin engines flying in close formation over the Ruhr, I think for the purposes of cinema entertainment you wont tell the difference. For comparasion, watch the Dakotas taking off in A Bridge too Far and a similar scene in the D-Day episode of Band of Brothers. Dickie Attenborough had to get just about evey airworthy DC3 on the planet for that scene; BoB used one and replicated it.
 
#10
If he bodges this film he should be killed as a warning to other film makers.

There was nothing wrong with the original film, so he has a lot to live up to.

To that end I want to see (or hear) the word nigger used for the name of the dog and in its codeword capacity.

And I don't want to see any last minute replacement American crews dropping the crucial bombs either, a la U-571.
 
#11
chocolate_frog said:
And I don't want to see any last minute replacement American crews dropping the crucial bombs either, a la U-571.
He's a Kiwi making the film with his own money; why would he want to put gratuitous spams in it? Though I would be worried about 617Sqn's mess rugby skills getting improved tenfold by the presence of Flying Officer Lomu and Flight Liuetenant Sivivatu
 
#12
The ability to improve the excitement level in modern films cannot be argued with, however the poignant part of the film was at the end with Barnes-Wallis and Gibson talking followed by the long walk Gibson made to his office to write those letters to the families of the ones who did not come back, afetr telling Barnes-wallis that they all would still have gone knowing they would not come back.
 
#13
Maj_Boothroyd said:
He's a Kiwi making the film with his own money; why would he want to put gratuitous spams in it?
Umm, because he'd like to see the money again?

If you're going to recoup 100million, then you're going to have to crack the US in a pretty big way. If they're not satisfied with the three Canadians who took part, his best bet would be to find to find some Spam actors who can do passable British accents- like he did in LOTR with Sean Astin and Elijah Wood.

I think it'd be interesting to see if he actually casts actors who are (or at least look) as young as the guys who flew the mission. Wg Cdr Gibson himself was only 24 at the time of the raid. Richard Todd looked positively geriatric by comparison (He was 34 at the time of filming.) I'm buggered if I know who he'd cast though.
 
#14
chocolate_frog said:
To that end I want to see (or hear) the word nigger used for the name of the dog and in its codeword capacity.
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Um why? While I have no strong feeling about the word I fail to see what impact it use would have on the overall film. The film will not stand or fall on the name of a dog, nor the code word used to start the attack. If the word nigger upsets people then take it out the story will be just as good.
 
#15
Jackson was seen at old warden this weekend he also has a couple of WW1 aeroplanes and really into military history ,I think if any director can pull this off its him.As far as the actors go most of the actors in Blackhawk Down were British and they pulled that off fairly well also one of the 617 pilots Joe McCarthy was a Yank so that lets one in anyway .I think the actors could be the least of the problems getting the story accurate ,warts and all will be the problem,Gibson as an arrogant s**t anyone.
 
#16
I can't wait, they could do this well - a bit less of the toffee-noseness involved in the original (still a lot of "officer" class and foreign stereotype stuff), they're keeping the title music and hopefully they'll recreate the end scene. Nothing hits quite as close as that end scene.

Nigger should be left. It's historically accurate and it represents the times (1940s). It's not a huge issue but I'd hate to see us altering history because of political correctness - it's not as if we condone calling anything a nigger nowadays...

We could still get the other Lancaster over here... If the promotional stuff for the film involved flying the lancs round the country *nurses a semi*
 
#17
Greengrass wrote
Um why? While I have no strong feeling about the word I fail to see what impact it use would have on the overall film. The film will not stand or fall on the name of a dog, nor the code word used to start the attack. If the word nigger upsets people then take it out the story will be just as good.
Sorry but I couldn't give a monkeys t**s about people getting upset about the use of this word in this particular setting. The dogs name was "Nigger" and he was, by all accounts as much a part of the squadron as the men. Likewise his name was used as a codeword during the mission. To remove this just because it offends today would, I feel, be a grave mistake.

What else would be changed? The bouncing bombs being replaced with sponges perhaps? The orderly evacuation of Eastern slave workers (who were the most hit by the raid) prior to the raid? Where does this sort of idiocy finish?

Perhaps we could also have a remake of Zulu, Zulu Dawn and any number of other films? Complete with PC rewrites "Patrols back sir. They report a large mass of indiginous people upset at the white oppresion, seizing of their lands and destruction of their (seemingly to us primative) culture. Thousands of 'em"

Historical films should be historically correct and if that includes the use of a word that is now found offensive then so be it, if needed a little apology/explanation at the start or end of the film will suffice. For many of the youngsters today this film may well be the only time they ever learn about the raid and the sacrifice, bravery and all round tenacity (sorry, but I can't do them the justice they deserve) of those who were part of the raid from Barnes Wallace himself to the lowelest rear gunner. To that end the film should be as accurate as possible, regardless of offence to some over-sensitive PC right on tree huggers.

If Hollywood must be the only source of historical learning for our kids to day (after all we can't teach it in schools as it is un-PC) then it is the duty of those making the film to ensure it is factual. I call forward such drivel as Mel Gibsons "Brave Heart" and "The Patriot". I will also bring forward U-571. Not because I like the film but because it was such a complete pile of rubbish, and yet I have met Americans who believe that this really happened, and worse Brits who think this episode was correct. And the only correction was some small bit of writing tucked in to the credits when most people are on the way out of the cinema or turning off the DVD/Video.

For starters why did he name the dog "Nigger"? Read a can of Kiwi, you will find it written there also, in many languages variations of the word means the colour black. Nigger was a Black dog. The reason he named the dog so is probably not to do with the bondage of African Origin people is it? No. Just one more chip on the shoulder by PC idiots who run around finding things to be offended by.

From Wikipedia
"Gibson was born in Simla in the Empire of India, the son of Alexander James Gibson and Norah Gibson. He moved with his family to Porthleven, Cornwall, England in 1921 aged three. He was educated at St Edward's School, Oxford."

Given the time of his birth and with the above in mind, it is conceivable that he named his dog "Nigger" in a similar fashion to calling him "Blacky".

FFS what is this world coming to?
 
#18
Greengrass said:
chocolate_frog said:
To that end I want to see (or hear) the word nigger used for the name of the dog and in its codeword capacity.
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Um why? While I have no strong feeling about the word I fail to see what impact it use would have on the overall film. The film will not stand or fall on the name of a dog, nor the code word used to start the attack. If the word nigger upsets people then take it out the story will be just as good.
I think its a case of when you start removing well known bits of history because of a particular political agenda you are opening Pandoras box, and not in a good way.

I like the story of Colin Powell talking with a reporter about favorite war movies and the reporter says (about the Dambusters) that they couldnt remake it. Colin Powell says why the hell not, and the reporter replies "Well, the dog, is *ahem* called "Nigger"". At which point Colin Powell looks at him, and bursts out laughing.
 
#19
I saw a recent interview with Richard Todd, who was visibly emotional when he spoke about the final scene, and how many letters Gibson had to write to next of kin.

Hopefully the remake will do justice to the memory of all those who took part in the raids.
 
#20
PartTimePongo said:
I just wanted an excuse for CWH to make that trip across the pond with their Lanc :)
Would bet my lunch they would fold it up and put it in a Antonov, rebuild it here (or werever they film it)

Rincewind
 

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