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#1
Has anyone got or had knowledge of either 2.5 diesel Chrysler Grand Voyagers or Renault Grand Espaces. (Diesel)

I need to get another this week for Spain and the Holidays4heroes set up and am torn between both.

For about £4.5k there are 04 plates on both, 90000miles with FSH....... I am struggling to make a decision.

Can anyone shed any light, any niggles, any glaring flaws?

Is there another 7 seater that big that is upto the job?

Cheers for any assistance you turds.
 
#2
From what I understand (mostly via Clarkson, I'll admit) the Voyager is one of the most hateful peices of shit ever to be produced by anyone, ever.

So the Renault might be a better bet.
 
#3
Kia Sedona is pretty well a rip off of the Voyager, but with much softer second hand values. The 2.5 petrol engine is a sweet Honda derived V6, but I've no experience of the diesel. Only problem I had with mine was a slightly dodgy stereo. 4.5k should buy you an 04 plate with about 50 000 miles on the clock.
 
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#4
I drove an Espace to Germany pulling a horsebox full of everything but fucking horses (both belonging to the firm). No drama whatsoever. Very comfortable. No idea how fast it could go as I had the box on the back, but it was fine on the diesel and not once did I get a bout of convoy cock. Never driven a Chrysler but haven't heard anything nice said about them. If it's second hand that you are after have you looked at the Kia? It's about the same size as your common or garden 432. You will probably get more for your money.
 

TheIronDuke

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#5
There aint many bad cars around these days so I'd buy whichever one had the best stereo. If it has volume controls on the steering wheel you can drown out the screams from the back seat with a touch. Then join the AA. Cost £60 and they send out Muppets with spanners if it all goes spanner shaped.

Or buy a Transit van for £900. Spend £200 bolting benches in the back. They can peer out the back window, or lean forward and peer out the front window. Blow the rest on drugs and one of them pine tree air freshner things.
 
#6
Not the voyager PG,
Hateful things, unreliable, thirsty and if memory serves the worst ever NCAP crash test scores
Renault better but the KIA Sedona as everyone's said is good value for money, maybe a Transit Tourneo also as they are fairly solid bits of kit,
Worse than Voyager is Pug 807/Cit C8, there's good reason they are that cheap
 
#8
Try a toyota, I picked up a used late model one the other day that only had fifty nautical miles on the clock.
 
#11
You should be able to get a 1.9 Tdi 03/53 SEAT Alhambra for that sort of money - a Volkswagen Sharan in all but name. German build quality at Spanish prices - what's not to like?
 
#12
Cheers peoples,

Seems unanimous that Chryslers are cack, shame, they are the better looking ones.

Am looking at a 54 plate Grand Espace and a 55 plate Kia Sedona now. Sedona lower mileage, full leather and a DVD player which is ideal for the intros etc......... but they look fcuking horrible. and the Renault, whilst better looking is basic and with 30,000 more miles.

Not a fcuking clue, people carriers are crap modes of transport but needed for shuffling cripples and broken people squaddies about. My only other thought was a pair of 53 plate Volvo V70s, which would cost about the same
 
#13
Save money on the Kia, then pretend you're 19 and spend the difference on flash spinning alloys and a rally-style body kit. That'll solve your ugliness issue!

Sent from my X10i, probably from the loo, using Tapatalk.
 
#14
Now there's another point,
Practicality, two V70 would be ace but the seven sear conversions are only for kids or dwarves and leave no boot space, the Espace seats 7 and leaves a bit of luggage room but access to 6&7 is tight, the Sedona IIRC has sliding doors and seats on runners so if getting in & out is an issue might be better?
Most MPVs are compromised for access to back seats
 
#15
.....................Am looking at a 54 plate Grand Espace and a 55 plate Kia Sedona now. Sedona lower mileage, full leather and a DVD player which is ideal for the intros etc......... but they look fcuking horrible............
Does the look really matter if it's a "hire" car? If it works well and fits its role that's what matters. I'd say go for efficient. They all end up as tin cans eventually anyway.
 
#16
I had a 04 (2.2Dci) Grande Espace, did 140000 miles in it before getting rid, check whether it has had the (can't remember the exact details) cam/water pump/timing or whatever belt changed at 60000 miles or so, like all non chain driven belts they are liable to let go if you are unlucky. Look at the brakes see if it has had new discs all round by 100000 mile or so it will probably need them. Check the engine mounts liable to wear, not a major problem in terms of cost for replacement.

One potential problem area is the seats, whilst very comfortable and supportive each having its own integral seat belt so no belts all over the inside of the car, if you wish to reconfigure down from 7 seats you have to have somewhere to store the seats as they are removable and do not fold away into the car, on the plus side it gives you far more room in the vehicle if you need to carry large loads, and more headspace.

Limited stowage space if in 7 seat mode, but this is a common problem with all MPVs, Grande Espace has about 20 cm more space behind the 3rd row of seats than the standard Espace and is well worth having otherwise you can carry verry little in the back.

Overall very pleased with it comfortable and decent mpg (40+ if driven reasonably and better if carefully) easy to drive and goes well, easily cruises at 85 mph and has decent acceleration, much better than the 1.9 Dci.
 
#17
This one isn't to be used as a hire car, its for the bod in Spain to meet and greet those unable to drive themselves.

After reading the forums, I am thinking due to luggage space it may have to be the grande espace or maybe even a 8 seater of sum sort (vito or tornea / caravelle sort of thing.

Am confused now, you pack of cnuts.

06FA56Paderborn - thankyou, v helpful...... but still a cnut :D
 
#18
PG, you might be better just buying a Transit carrier. Y'know, like you see all of the old bastards in, on a Sunday?
 
#19
PG, you might be better just buying a Transit carrier. Y'know, like you see all of the old bastards in, on a Sunday?
But anything above 9 seats and you're into minibus territory which opens up the licensing and insurance issues and becomes expensive
 
#20
But anything above 9 seats and you're into minibus territory which opens up the licensing and insurance issues and becomes expensive
Ahh I totally forgot about that.
 
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