MPs with Military connections

#1
I've posted this in here in response to a question asked on the Prince Harry thread by Mr Happy, also I expect a few fellow Arrsers to question some of the more, shall we say less credible links to the military.

MPs with experience of some sort in HM Forces, etc

Army (20)

John Baron (Conservative) - Captain Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 1984-87
Richard Benyon (Conservative) - Army 1980-85
Crispin Blunt (Conservative) - Army Officer 1979-90; Regimental duty 13th/18th Royal Hussars (QMO) in England, Germany and Cyprus
Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative) - Commissioned, Scots Guards 1975;ADC to Major-General Sir John Acland, KCB, CBE; Commander of Commonwealth Monitoring Force in Zimbabwe 1979-81

James Gray (Conservative) - Honourable Artillery Company (TA) 1978-84; Member, HAC Court of Assistants 2002-
Adam Holloway (Conservative) - Commissioned, Grenadier Guards 1987-92
Eric Joyce (Labour) - Private, Black Watch Regiment 1978-81;Officer 1987-99
Alan Keen (Labour/Co-operative) - Army service (3 years)
Mark Lancaster (Conservative) - Officer Royal Engineers 1988-90;Major Royal Engineers (TA) 1990-
Rt Hon Michael Mates (Conservative) - Army service 1954-74:2nd Lieutenant RUR 1955;Queen's Dragoon Guards, RAC 1961, Major 1967, Lieutenant-Colonel 1973, Resigned commission 1974

Patrick Mercer (Conservative) - Sherwood Foresters 1975-1999
Andrew Mitchell (Conservative) - UN Peacekeeping Forces Cyprus: 1st Royal Tank Regiment (SSLC)
Mike Penning (Conservative) - Soldier, Grenadier Guards 1974-80;RAMC 1980-81
Andrew Robathan (Conservative) - Regular Army Officer, Coldstream Guards and SAS 1974-89;Rejoined Army for Gulf War January-April 1991
Hugh Robertson (Conservative) - Army officer The Life Guards, serving in Northern Ireland, Gulf War and Bosnia 1985-95
Hon Nicholas Soames (Conservative) - Lieutenant, 11th Hussars 1967-72
Sir Peter Tapsell (Conservative) - Subaltern Army national service in Middle East 1948-50;Royal Sussex Regiment
David Tredinnick (Conservative) - 2nd Lieutenant Grenadier Guards 1968-71
Ben Wallace (Conservative) - Army officer, Scots Guards 1990-98:Service in Northern Ireland, Central America, Cyprus, Germany; Intelligence 1994-95
Sir Nicholas Winterton (Conservative) - Commissioned army national service 14th/20th King's Hussars 1957-59


Ulster Defence Regiment (1)

Rt Hon Jeffrey Donaldson (Democratic Unionist Party) - Ulster Defence Regiment 1980-85


Territorial Army (12)

Tony Baldry (Conservative) - TA Officer 1971-83; Honorary Colonel RLC(TA)
Gregory Barker (Conservative) - TA (HAC)
Julian Brazier, TD (Conservative) - TA 1972-82, 1989-92
Derek Conway (Conservative) - Territorial Decoration (Territorial Army)
Mark Francois (Conservative) - TA 1983-89, commissioned 1985
Dominic Grieve (Conservative) - Territorial Army 1981-83
Philip Hollobone (Conservative) - Soldier and paratrooper, Territorial Army 1987-95
Ian Liddell-Grainger (Conservative) - Major Fusiliers TA
Andrew Selous (Conservative) - TA officer Honourable Artillery Company, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 1981-94
Keith Simpson (Conservative) - Honorary Colonel Royal Military Police T.A.
Desmond Swayne (Conservative) - Major, Territorial Army; also called up to Gulf War II (Major in TA) (June 2003)
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk...004920.stm

Peter Viggers (Conservative) - National service RAF pilot 1956-58;Territorial Army Officer 1962-67


Royal Air Force (7)

Joe Benton (Labour) - RAF national service 1955-57
Colin Challen (Labour) - RAF 1971-74
John Smith (Labour) - RAF 1967-71
Dr Bob Spink (Conservative) - RAF 1964-66 (invalided)
Dr Richard Taylor (Independent) - Medical officer RAF 1961-64
Peter Viggers (Conservative) - National service RAF pilot 1956-58;Territorial Army Officer 1962-67
Robert Wareing (Labour) - RAF 1948-50


Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve (2)

Ben Chapman (Labour) - Pilot Officer, RAFVR 1959-61
Gerald Howarth (Conservative) - Commissioned RAFVR 1968


University Air Squadron (1)

Tim Yeo (Conservative) - Cambridge University Air Squadron 1964-67


Royal Navy (2)

Dr Andrew Murrison (Conservative) - Surgeon Commander Royal Navy 1981-2000; called up as Royal Navy Reservist (Medic) to Gulf War II in September 2003. news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/e...100374.stm

Richard Ottaway (Conservative) - Royal Navy Officer 1961-70


Royal Naval Reserve (2)

Dr Julian Lewis (Conservative) - Seaman, Royal Naval Reserve 1979-82
Dr Andrew Murrison (Conservative) - Surgeon Commander Royal Navy 1981-2000; called up as Royal Navy Reservist (Medic) to Gulf War II in September 2003. news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/e...100374.stm


Foreign Armed Services (1)

Dr Rudi Vis (Labour) - Dutch armed services 1960-64


Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Fellowships)

Rt Hon John Reid (Labour) - Fellow Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme


Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Army)

Dai Havard (Labour) - Member Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Army) 2002
Stephen O'Brien (Conservative) - Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Army) 2001-03


Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Navy)

Stephen Pound (Labour) - Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Navy)
 
#2
Amazing how many are conservative and a smattering are liarbour. Ironic that at the time when most of the Conservatives were serving their now opposites in Liabour were all in Commie run/sponsored style organisations protesting against anything with a heartbeat (allegedly). Now they are the ones who are screwing our Forces by carrying on the good work.
 
#3
Ah Eric Joyce! Commissioned to ETS (perhaps RAEC) caused a stink by getting inviolved in writing a paper for the Fabian Society attacking the class riddled Officer class. All but chucked out as I recall.

Interesting read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Joyce
 
#5
was on a exercise with some officer in the gurkhas whose dad was an MP, tory i think does this count?
 
#6
Ian Duncan Smith, son of Group Captain Wilfrid George Gerald Duncan Smith, DSO and Bar, DFC and 2 Bars (28 May 1914 – 11 December 1996) a Second World War air ace, and author of "Spitfire into Battle"

Odo
 
#8
David Davis, currently Shadow Home Secretary, served with 21 SAS.

Lord Ashdown spent 13 years with the Marines and SBS.

EDIT: Yorkshireboy beat me to it.
 
#9
without being funny

dont forget Gerry Adams MP

he has a hell of a lot of military experience albeit

as part of a terrorist group
 
#10
Pendant mode on

James Gray has of course never been a regular so is in the wrong part of the list.

Not at all sure Selous was ever an HAC officer, authough an RRF one (the wording on his cv is Geffrey Archer like in its abiguity)
 
#11
QRK2 said:
Pendant mode on

James Gray has of course never been a regular so is in the wrong part of the list.

Not at all sure Selous was ever an HAC officer, authough an RRF one (the wording on his cv is Geffrey Archer like in its abiguity)
Not related to the Rhodesian Scouts then?

Odo
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
Just as a comparison Thatchers cabinet in 1982 (Falklands) v Blair's in 2003 (Iraq)

Thatcher
Margaret Thatcher: Prime Minister (Married to Dennis - Major Royal - Engineers 2 x Mid's)
William Whitelaw MC: Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for the Home Department (Army - Guards Armoured - Major )
Geoffrey Howe: Chancellor of the Exchequer (Army -Royal Sig - Lieutenant)
Leon Brittan: Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Francis Pym MC: Lord President of the Council (Army - 9th Lancers - Captain)
Lord Hailsham of St Marylebone: Lord Chancellor (Army - Rifle Brigade - wounded)
Humphrey Atkins: Lord Privy Seal (Royal Navy 1940 - 1948)
Lord Carrington MC: Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Army - Grenadier Guards - Major)
Peter Walker: Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
John Nott: Secretary of State for Defence (Army - Gurkha Rifles - Malaya)
Sir Keith Joseph MID: Secretary of State for Education and Science (Army - Royal Artillery - Captain wounded - Italy)
Norman Tebbit: Secretary of State for Employment (RAF - pilot)
Nigel Lawson: Secretary of State for Energy (Royal Navy - National Service)
Michael Heseltine: Secretary of State for the Environment (Army - Welsh Guards - National Service)
Norman Fowler: Secretary of State for Health and Social Security (Army 2nd Lt Essex Regiment - National Service)
Patrick Jenkin: Secretary of State for Industry
Baroness Young: Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
James Prior: Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (Army - Royal Norfolk Regiment)
Cecil Parkinson: Paymaster-General (RAF - NCO - National Service)
George Younger: Secretary of State for Scotland (Army - Korea)
John Biffen: Secretary of State for Trade and President of the Board of Trade
David Howell: Secretary of State for Transport
Nicholas Edwards: Secretary of State for Wales

19 years later
Blair's Cabinet

Tony Blair — Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, and Minister for the Civil Service:
John Prescott — Deputy Prime Minister
Gordon Brown — Chancellor of the Exchequer and Second Lord of the Treasury
The Lord Irvine of Lairg — Lord Chancellor
Robin Cook — Lord President of the Council & Leader of the House of Commons
The Lord Williams of Mostyn — Lord Privy Seal & Leader of the House of Lords
Andrew Smith — Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Jack Straw — Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Univercity CCF - opted out claimed - conscientious objection". )
David Blunkett — Secretary of State for the Home Department
Margaret Beckett — Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Stephen Byers — Secretary of State for Transport, Local Government and the Regions
Alan Milburn — Secretary of State for Health
Geoff Hoon — Secretary of State for Defence (CCF - 1967 - 70)
Alistair Darling — Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
Estelle Morris — Secretary of State for Education and Skills
Patricia Hewitt — Secretary of State for Trade and Industry and Minister for Women and Equality
Tessa Jowell — Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
Clare Short — Secretary of State for International Development
John Reid — Secretary of State for Northern Ireland
Helen Liddell — Secretary of State for Scotland
Paul Murphy — Secretary of State for Wales
Charles Clarke — Minister without Portfolio and Labour Party Chairman
Hilary Armstrong — Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury and Government Chief Whip
Lord Goldsmith: Attorney General

I couldn't care less about Tory v Labour but it is interesting to see the changes in 20 years
Who would you rather sent you off to fight?
 
#13
the_boy_syrup said:
Jack Straw — Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Univercity CCF - opted out claimed - conscientious objection".

WTF!


What a cunt!
 
#14
Praetorian you took the words out of my mouth.

I hope that his conscience is causing him to donate his salary to a Forces

charity seeing as he is the man in charge of the lads doing the business.
 

OldSnowy

LE
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#15
There are many more with pretty close Military connections - Frank Cook MP, Labour, Stockton N, (and a thoroughly sensible bloke) has a Son who is, I am pretty sure, a SNCO in the REME. I'm sure there are other examples.

There are also, of course a large number of ex-Military in the Lords - apart from the ex-Service Chiefs, that is.

Finally, I was asked the question last week "why are there so many questions asked in the House regarding the TA, compared to the Regulars?" - and that was by someone pretty high up in the system. The reason is simple - there are no serving MPs in the Forces - but a good smattering in the TA, and a LOT more who are ex-TA.
 
#16
George W Bush.

Not an MP? Crap. He acts like one. Illusions of grandeur and less than average intelligence. Who could have thought....
 
#17
Geoff Hoon — Secretary of State for Defence (CCF - 1967 - 70)

So thats why Buff got Defence, because of his wide ranging inside knowledge and understanding of the role.
 
#18
Whilst the number of MPs with military experience is important - do you not think that knowing how many MPs have ANY other work experience other than a life of politics would also be revealing?

I think there are an awful lot of them who have no idea of what real work is like - filling the doom stag or just having to worry about the mortgage.
 
#19
Hard_vark said:
Whilst the number of MPs with military experience is important - do you not think that knowing how many MPs have ANY other work experience other than a life of politics would also be revealing?

I think there are an awful lot of them who have no idea of what real work is like - filling the doom stag or just having to worry about the mortgage.
You just eliminated all the US presidential candidates and members of of congress. Thanks for breaking my heart , dude.
 
#20
At least one has earnt his spurs in my eyes - spending that long as a POW and having the sh1te beaten out of him for so long gives him a degree more credibility than many.
 

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