MPs to be prosecuted over expenses

#1
Waiting with baited breath but only expecting a fizzle!...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8300332.stm

MPs are facing a further challenge to their expense claims when Parliament resumes after the summer recess.

Many will receive letters from an official investigator who has been looking at MPs' claims dating from the past five years, the BBC has learnt.

The MPs will be asked to justify their claims, and may be asked to provide further evidence to back them up.

In an interview in the Daily Telegraph, Gordon Brown has said he thinks "the worst offenders" should be prosecuted.

International Development Secretary Douglas Alexander told the BBC that MPs had a duty to respond to the letters.

After the publication of hundreds of claims earlier this year, several MPs announced they would stand down.

Some cases will end up in the courts, where someone's done something very wrong we've got a duty to deal with them most severely
Gordon Brown

It followed widespread public disgust after their expense claims were published in the Telegraph.

MPs were accused of extravagance, over-claiming and avoiding tax on home sales.

Several were found to have repeatedly "switched" their designated second homes, meaning they were able to refurbish both their homes at public expense.

Offenders prosecuted

Following the Telegraph's revelations, former senior civil servant Sir Thomas Legg was commissioned by Downing Street to examine the MPs' claims.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown originally said four years of claims made on second homes would be re-examined to see if they complied with the rules in place at the time.

However that has now been extended to a five year period.

The BBC understands that Sir Thomas is interested in whether MPs were using money to improve their properties - rather than just maintain them, as the rules allow.

He is also thought to have examined instances where MPs used public money to pay off the capital on their mortgages, rather than mortgage interest.

The Times newspaper said on Saturday that up to 100 MPs could be facing further queries about their expense claims.

So far, more than a dozen MPs have said they planned to stand down after the controversy over expenses first began.

Many others said they would repay money, and so far more than £300,000 has been handed back to the exchequer.

In his interview with the Daily Telegraph, Mr Brown said he believed: "the worst offenders should face prosecution."

WITHIN THE RULES
£24,000-a-year Additional Costs Allowance, which covers the running of MPs' second homes
£22,193-a-year Incidental Expenses Provision, which pays for running an office
£10,400-a-year Communications Allowance, which funds websites, newsletters, stationery and postage

He added: "It's right to distinguish between what you might call corruption in some cases, which is for the courts to decide, and honest mistakes or misunderstandings about rules that are very unclear.

"Some cases will end up in the courts, where someone's done something very wrong we've got a duty to deal with them most severely."

BBC political correspondent Iain Watson says Sir Thomas will allow MPs to make "fair representations" if their claims are challenged - but once that process is complete, his full report will be made public, probably in December.

Mr Alexander said: "This is the next stage in a process. There's been an independent audit of everybody's claims...

"If there are questions to be answered then I hope every member of Parliament answers them."
but
 

JINGO

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#3
Expect a few small fry to be thrown to the wolves at the most. I doubt any of the real criminals will be bought to what is laughingly refered to as justice these days.
 
#4
Mr Brown said he believed: "the worst offenders should face prosecution."

So throw a few scapegoats to the wolves (who have probably stood down anyway) and the rest pay back what they owe and say sorry for any 'errors' they may have committed.

You can see how this will play out already.
 
#5
Good, might that mean St Tony.... Oh, I forgot all his 'Expenses Claims' were accidently on purpose shredded (allegedly), some years ago.... Nice one Tony.... 'Money For old Rope'...... :cry:

There's no flies on our Tony...... just a load of sh1te..........(all alleged of course)... and of course he's got Mrs to defend him under the 'Uming Rites Act' if things do go t1ts up and he does end up receivng a Summons from Ye County Sheriffs's Office...... He'll probably find that his 'Social Diary' is suddenly full up with engagements accross the pond giving 'Big Speaks' to the daft and naive.... :p :?

Oh...we really do lurve you... Oh Most Sainted One....... :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
#6
uncle_vanya said:
Good, might that mean St Tony.... Oh, I forgot all his 'Expenses Claims' were accidently on purpose shredded (allegedly), some years ago.... Nice one Tony.... 'Money For old Rope'...... :cry:

Yeah, funny that, I wonder what would happen if I told the Taxman I'd 'accidentally' shredded all my paperwork when I was self employed and they wanted to check my accounts?
 
#7
There will be a couple of token Labour back bench trouble makers thrown to the wolves and afte that it will be a tool used to have a pop at the Tories in the run upto an election.

Justice doesn't apply to politicians.
 
#8
Don't be daft. Our lords and masters are above the law.
 
#9
jagman said:
There will be a couple of token Labour back bench trouble makers thrown to the wolves and afte that it will be a tool used to have a pop at the Tories in the run upto an election.

Justice doesn't apply to politicians.
Labour trouble-makers to be thrown to the wolves - a list:

Bob Marshall-Andrews,
Kate Hoey,
Frank Field,
John McFall.

Will the thieving swine now 'ennobled' be liable to prison as well?
 
#10
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#12
MPs to be prosecuted over expenses? Right!

In other news, the Pope was seen giving out free Johnnies in Piccadilly Circus. :D

MsG
 
#13
I confidently predict that not a single member or former member of the 'Duck House' Parliament will face a single judge on any criminal charge.

The media can speculate all it likes - its good copy.

It simply is not going to happen!
 
#14
It's not as though we are talking about the 'Ordinary' man in the Street.
These are the peoples Elected Represetatives.
They have been chosen to Represent the Ordinary Man in the Street.
They make the Laws We ALL LIVE BY.
People elcted to High Office are requried to have High Standards, for as they make the law we all have to obey, they too must be held accountable to the highest Court in the land and if found guilty then they must suffer the maximium Punishment Demanded by the Laws they have created.
john
Lock up and throw away the key.
 
#15
jonwilly said:
It's not as though we are talking about the 'Ordinary' man in the Street.
These are the peoples Elected Represetatives.
They have been chosen to Represent the Ordinary Man in the Street.
They make the Laws We ALL LIVE BY.
People elcted to High Office are requried to have High Standards, for as they make the law we all have to obey, they too must be held accountable to the highest Court in the land and if found guilty then they must suffer the maximium Punishment Demanded by the Laws they have created.
john
Lock up and throw away the key.
I doubt very much whether you'll find anybody who'll gainsay that, Jonwilly. But you're thinking as a normal person with moral standards and a sense of honour and justice. But these slimy, corrupt scum are MPs. Nuff sedd!

MsG
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
May I suppose that the head of the CPS will take advice from the Attorney General?
 
#17
seaweed said:
May I suppose that the head of the CPS will take advice from the Attorney General?
Good one :D :D would that be baroness scotland
 
#18
seaweed said:
May I suppose that the head of the CPS will take advice from the Attorney General?
I was recently talking to a friend who is a lawyer regarding our troughing overlords.

He was of the opinion that it'll be very hard to justify not prosecuting the two MPs who were caught claiming for non-existent mortgages. As he put it 'It's straightforward fraud. There is no defence.'

Having said that, criminal MPs and other 'High Profile People' are now dealt with by a special directorate of the CPS that reports straight to the Director of Public Prosecutions, who is a political appointee. By sheer coincidence, this directorate was established at the same time as Tony Blair had the Boys in Blue visiting number 10 about the cash for peerages scandal.

The CPS Special Crime Division were the folks who reduced death by reckless driving down to aggravated happy slapping for a certain Labour Peer so I suppose anything's possible. The DPP will be out of a job next year anyway.
 
#19
SSeeker said:
seaweed said:
May I suppose that the head of the CPS will take advice from the Attorney General?
Good one :D :D would that be baroness scotland
Technical oversight, very busy, in line with the rules at the time, blah, blah blah, blah, sorry, blah blah blah blah, we are better than the tories.
 
#20
Can we AFFORD the prosecutions?

With 'Clown' Brown at the financial helm the answer is no!

My bet is two troublesome Labourites, two 'posh' Tories and a 'Limp/Dim' for fairness.

What about the farcical House of so-called Lords? When are we being told about these posing and discredited mugwumps?

PS: Come back all Hereditary Peers.
 

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