MP3 weilding "terrorist" arrested

#1
If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.....

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Armed police arrested a man listening to his MP3 player and took a sample of his DNA after a fellow commuter mistook the music player for a gun.

Darren Nixon had been waiting at a bus stop in Stoke-on-Trent on his way home from work when a woman saw him reach into his pocket and take out a black Phillips MP3 player. The woman thought it was a pistol and called 999.

Police tracked 28-year-old Nixon using CCTV, sending three cars to follow him. When he got off the bus, armed officers surrounded him. He was driven to a police station, kept in a cell and had his fingerprints, photograph and DNA taken.

He was freed when Staffordshire police realised it was a false alarm - but will now have his DNA stored on a national database for life with a record that he was arrested on suspicion of a firearms offence.

"It was unreal," he told the Metro newspaper. "I had a completely clean record before this, and have always been a law-abiding citizen."

Nixon, a mechanic, said that as he got off the bus and started to walk home on January 26, he saw a policeman gesture but could not hear what he said.

"I turned the music off and they were telling me to put my hands up in the air," he added.

"My heart was racing a mile a minute. One of them was hiding behind a car door, looking down his sights at me, and the other was shouting orders and pointing a gun at me.

"It was a pretty scary experience. I had no idea what was going on."

Nixon has received an apology from Staffordshire police.

"'We received a report from a member of the public who had seen a man appear to pull a hand gun from a jacket pocket, grip it with both hands and aim it," a Staffordshire police spokesman said.

"An operation was put in place and a man matching the description was detained."

He said the description was "extremely good", enabling officers to act quickly.

The Liberal Democrats, who are campaigning to have the DNA records of innocent people destroyed, said the national DNA database now held more than 3m records kept for life, an estimated 125,000 of which belong to people who were neither cautioned or charged.

"There is no reason that [Nixon] is on the government's database other than he was in the wrong place in the wrong time, and that could happen to all of us," Lynne Featherstone, the party's spokesperson for youth and equalities, said.

"The use of DNA is vital to modern policing, but not letting people remove their DNA when it is has been proved they have done absolutely nothing wrong would seem more at home in a fascist state than a free and fair society."
 

Mr Happy

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#2
Frankly, DNA capture is a good thing. They should do the whole country and everyone that arrives at the gates.

It just makes sense. It would protect all of us better.
 
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Mr Happy said:
Frankly, DNA capture is a good thing. They should do the whole country and everyone that arrives at the gates.

It just makes sense. It would protect all of us better.
I couldn't disagree with you more-
The greatest threat to us is from our own government's behaviour.
I have no confidence that protecting us is at all their plan.
 
#5
Mr Happy said:
Frankly, DNA capture is a good thing. They should do the whole country and everyone that arrives at the gates.

It just makes sense. It would protect all of us better.
Of course it would. :roll:

I mean it is not as if the police etal would rely on DNA evidence despite everything else being wrong.

Your DNA on file would never mean you getting charged for something that every single other bit of evidence says could not have been you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=512980&in_page_id=1770

DOH!
 
#6
How would haveing my DNA on file protect anybody from anything? Convicted crims yes, serial offenders yes, guys with MP3 players no.

More steps to a police state. It might seem ok now, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Why not go the whole hog and just tattoo a bar-code on you neck at birth.
 

Mr Happy

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#7
I been pulled three times and three times been mostly innocent.

I was particularly pleased that I didn't get charged with Conspiracy to commit armed robbery. As that would have been a right knacker on my CV. Still it was an interesting experience but a phone call asking me to pop in for a chat about one of my recently arrested section oppo's would have been nicer than a pull.

My question for any plods there, is are these details held on files for any length of time? Don't they 'expire' after three years? Or is that a caution?
 
#8
Mr Happy said:
Frankly, DNA capture is a good thing. They should do the whole country and everyone that arrives at the gates.

It just makes sense. It would protect all of us better.
Theory is great but in a few years time when people start being refused insurance etc because their DNA says they are too big a risk......!!??
 

Mr Happy

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#9
bobath said:
How would haveing my DNA on file protect anybody from anything? Convicted crims yes, serial offenders yes, guys with MP3 players no.

More steps to a police state. It might seem ok now, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Why not go the whole hog and just tattoo a bar-code on you neck at birth.
If everyone was DNA'd then there'd be arguably a lot less rape. And anyone involved in a physical altarcation would likely be covered in the other parties DNA too.

YOU want chavs off the streets AND your wife to be able to walk home safe at night? This is the solution.
 

Mr Happy

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#10
Murielson said:
Mr Happy said:
Frankly, DNA capture is a good thing. They should do the whole country and everyone that arrives at the gates.

It just makes sense. It would protect all of us better.
Theory is great but in a few years time when people start being refused insurance etc because their DNA says they are too big a risk......!!??
Well that would be bad. But allowing scum to get away with crime because we're not using all our options is a bit stupid.
 
#12
Mr Happy said:
Frankly, DNA capture is a good thing. They should do the whole country and everyone that arrives at the gates.

It just makes sense. It would protect all of us better.
It might make sense to those who would prefer to have us as willing slaves.

Why not abolish the right to maintain silence, the right to have a lawyer, the presumption of innocence and all the other annoying rights of free citizens. Life would be so much simpler.
 
#13
Seems my little story got lost in the noise.


A
white man who was wrongly charged with rape even though the victim said her attacker was black described his "nightmare" ordeal for the first time yesterday.

Mark Minick feared he would lose his girlfriend and children and contemplated suicide after he was charged on flawed DNA evidence.

During hours of questioning, three police officers claimed they had watertight DNA evidence linking him to the attack.

On Thursday at Southwark Crown Court, the prosecution admitted that it had no evidence against Mr Minick.
So tell me again why having my DNA on file is a good thing?
 

Mr Happy

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#14
Drlligaf,

You sound very american...

How does the govt records of your dna make you a slave?

how does collecting dna lead to the right to maintain silence [a wah right?] the right to have a lawyer, the presumption of innocence and all the other annoying rights of free citizens. Life would be so much simpler
 

Mr Happy

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Moderator
#15
Steven said:
Seems my little story got lost in the noise.


A
white man who was wrongly charged with rape even though the victim said her attacker was black described his "nightmare" ordeal for the first time yesterday.

Mark Minick feared he would lose his girlfriend and children and contemplated suicide after he was charged on flawed DNA evidence.

During hours of questioning, three police officers claimed they had watertight DNA evidence linking him to the attack.

On Thursday at Southwark Crown Court, the prosecution admitted that it had no evidence against Mr Minick.
So tell me again why having my DNA on file is a good thing?
Well Mr M is free now, so the system clearly works.
 
#16
Mr Happy said:
Steven said:
Seems my little story got lost in the noise.


A
white man who was wrongly charged with rape even though the victim said her attacker was black described his "nightmare" ordeal for the first time yesterday.

Mark Minick feared he would lose his girlfriend and children and contemplated suicide after he was charged on flawed DNA evidence.

During hours of questioning, three police officers claimed they had watertight DNA evidence linking him to the attack.

On Thursday at Southwark Crown Court, the prosecution admitted that it had no evidence against Mr Minick.
So tell me again why having my DNA on file is a good thing?
Well Mr M is free now, so the system clearly works.
WTF are you on about? If the victim had not said that her attacker was a very large black man then this short slim white man would have gone to prison based on this "watertight DNA evidence".

What would have happened had the victim been killed during the attack?
 
#17
I don't mind my DNA being taken. I just want to make sure that it doesn't get sold or passed around to people I did not intend to give it to.
 

Mr Happy

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#18
Ahh, sorry, I assumed you were familiar with the story - seeing as you were quoting it.. I am referring to the fact that the DNA re-test proved it wasn't him.
 

Mr Happy

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#19
chocolate_frog said:
I don't mind my DNA being taken. I just want to make sure that it doesn't get sold or passed around to people I did not intend to give it to.
Though I suspect if you gave it to a bird and she spat it into anothers mouth who then swallowed it you wouldn't mind so much would you...
 
#20
Mr Happy said:
Ahh, sorry, I assumed you were familiar with the story - seeing as you were quoting it.. I am referring to the fact that the DNA re-test proved it wasn't him.
this story? Clicky

Yet despite being cleared of all allegations, the 26-year-old is suffering the "final injustice" of still having to wear an electronic tag.

It was fixed to his right ankle as a condition of bail when he was charged last October with raping the teenager seven years ago.

For four months he has been under virtual house arrest between 11pm and 7pm. If he broke the curfew the tag would have set off an alarm and he could have faced jail.

Mr Minick, a father of two, told the Daily Mail: "I'm a free man and everyone knows I didn't rape that poor girl.

"But here I am, forced to stay at home at night because the security company hasn't come round to take the tag off.

"It is a terrible way to treat an innocent man who was charged with a crime he did not commit. But after the way I've been treated, I'm not in the least bit surprised."

He spent yesterday frantically calling the security firm which attached the tag to remove it.

Mr Minick was arrested by "cold case" detectives reinvestigating an attack on a 17-year-old girl in Bexleyheath, Kent.

At the time, he was nearing the end of a year's prison sentence for robbery.

It was a crime which he bitterly regrets and which was committed during a low point in his life shortly after his mother died of cancer three years ago.

He said the conviction made him an easy target for detectives desperate to solve the crime. During hours of questioning, three police officers claimed they had watertight DNA evidence linking him to the attack.

They told him one of his hairs had been found on the victim's ring. But they did not mention her statement describing her attacker as "black, large and tall".
"I only discovered a lot later that the girl first noticed the hair when she was in bed in hospital.

"I was working as a hospital porter at the time and I was constantly moving beds and blankets. Perhaps this is how the hair got into her ring.

"I can understand that the police would want to question me because of my hair.

"But to charge me with rape when they have the victim describing the rapist as black beggars belief. I would have been happy to take part in an identity parade, but they never asked me to. Now I know why."
 
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