MP is allegedly bugged whilst visiting constituent in prison

Who should we bug in our fight against terror?

  • Anyone

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  • Muslims

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  • The Police

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  • Osama Bin Laden

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  • The US Embassy

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#3
If we pay this guys wages why not bug him, we pay for these people as they are our servants not the other way arround, imagine what would happen if the military were running arround after the terrorists. Priminister the 1st Royal Irish are applying for leave to visit the taliban for some r and r togeather any problems with that?
 
#4
I should hope the police have the common sense to bug their conversation.

I wouldn't trust any MP,and definatly not a muslim one.

The rights to privacy of MPs and muslim traitors to privacy should not exist in a country that has suffered terrorist attacks from these extremists.
 
#6
Le_addeur_noir said:
I should hope the police have the common sense to bug their conversation.

I wouldn't trust any MP,and definatly not a muslim one.

The rights to privacy of MPs and muslim traitors to privacy should not exist in a country that has suffered terrorist attacks from these extremists.
But hold on, sir. Wouldn't that be illegal? Surely we have standards to maintain? Aren't we actually on the side of justice and the law, which protects and encourages the right to gather freely, and to enjoy the freedom to move around without fear of intervention from the authorities, be they government or police?

I'm sure Her Majesty's government would not be happy seeing the constabulary indulging in such scurrilous tactics, and would call for a very rapid cover-up, I mean inquiry soonest?
 
#7
Frenchperson,

I wouldn't risk the lives of innocent people over legal niceities when dealing with potential terrorists.

52 innocent people lost their lives because of MI5 inacivity over the surveillence of terrorist suspects prior to the 7th July 2005.

These people have declared war on Britain,and as far as I am concerned a bit of couvert surveillence on persons I would consider suspect is of no concern.

If you think Britain is bad,consider what the Americans,Egyptians or Israelis(to name but 3 countries) would do in similar circumstances.

If muslims or muslim MPs have a problem with a little illegal bugging,I suggest they fcuk off to a country that they think would indulge them a bit more.
 
#8
Le_addeur_noir said:
Frenchperson,

I wouldn't risk the lives of innocent people over legal niceities when dealing with potential terrorists.

52 innocent people lost their lives because of MI5 inacivity over the surveillence of terrorist suspects prior to the 7th July 2005.

These people have declared war on Britain,and as far as I am concerned a bit of couvert surveillence on persons I would consider suspect is of no concern.

If you think Britain is bad,consider what the Americans,Egyptians or Israelis(to name but 3 countries) would do in similar circumstances.

If muslims or muslim MPs have a problem with a little illegal bugging,I suggest they fcuk off to a country that they think would indulge them a bit more.
Terrorists must love you. When the State changes to become the oppressive and draconian enforcer of illegal detention, of guilt by association, of "you're all Irish, so you're all guilty" then the terrorist has won his first and hardest Campaign. Islamic fundamentalist of a particularly illiterate form of Islam may have “Decalred War” on the west. That does not mean we should act in the style of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.
 
#9
52 innocent people lost their lives because of MI5 inacivity over the surveillence of terrorist suspects prior to the 7th July 2005.
Inactivity? Hardly. Lack of resources and manpower? Most definitely.

They can only do so much with the resources available to them.

How many attacks and plots have been stopped or stalled or are currently under investigation?

They are working continuously, at a tempo not seen for years. They need to be recognised, funded and resourced adequately for that.

If you think Britain is bad,consider what the Americans,Egyptians or Israelis(to name but 3 countries) would do in similar circumstances.
I'm sure there is an American amendment that specifically prohibits that, and any Congressman bugged withiout his knowledge and consent would raise all kinds of merry hell. The 'Patriot act' does not supercede the Constitution.

Turning to other idiot statements....

I should hope the police have the common sense to bug their conversation.

I wouldn't trust any MP,and definatly not a muslim one.

The rights to privacy of MPs and muslim traitors to privacy should not exist in a country that has suffered terrorist attacks from these extremists.
Laughable, outrageous, positively coated in drool.

and....

It had to be Sadiq Khan didnt it?
Yes, I don't bother looking at the background before I post either...

Because this is that dreadful Musselman MP's voting record in Parliament on this issue.

Sadiq Khan voted on key issues since 2001:

* Has never voted on a transparent Parliament. votes, speeches
* Voted very strongly for introducing a smoking ban. votes, speeches
* Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards. votes, speeches
* Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws. votes, speeches
* Voted very strongly against investigating the Iraq war. votes, speeches
* Voted very strongly for replacing Trident. votes, speeches
I would suggest the Honourable Member for Tooting has the Arrsehole because he's actually been one of the more vocal supporters for MORE not less cracking down on threats.

Justice Secretary Jack Straw ordered the probe into claims anti-terror police bugged a conversation with Babar Ahmad at Woodhill Prison.
 
#10
frenchperson said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
I should hope the police have the common sense to bug their conversation.

I wouldn't trust any MP,and definatly not a muslim one.

The rights to privacy of MPs and muslim traitors to privacy should not exist in a country that has suffered terrorist attacks from these extremists.
But hold on, sir. Wouldn't that be illegal? Surely we have standards to maintain? Aren't we actually on the side of justice and the law, which protects and encourages the right to gather freely, and to enjoy the freedom to move around without fear of intervention from the authorities, be they government or police?

I'm sure Her Majesty's government would not be happy seeing the constabulary indulging in such scurrilous tactics, and would call for a very rapid cover-up, I mean inquiry soonest?
Sorry but that argument doesn't hold water. You lose the right to free assembly and free speech when you break the law, are convicted and then sentenced to a prison term.

The fact that an MP is visiting this prisoner is neither here nor there.
 
#11
Ord_Sgt said:
frenchperson said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
I should hope the police have the common sense to bug their conversation.

I wouldn't trust any MP,and definatly not a muslim one.

The rights to privacy of MPs and muslim traitors to privacy should not exist in a country that has suffered terrorist attacks from these extremists.
But hold on, sir. Wouldn't that be illegal? Surely we have standards to maintain? Aren't we actually on the side of justice and the law, which protects and encourages the right to gather freely, and to enjoy the freedom to move around without fear of intervention from the authorities, be they government or police?

I'm sure Her Majesty's government would not be happy seeing the constabulary indulging in such scurrilous tactics, and would call for a very rapid cover-up, I mean inquiry soonest?
Sorry but that argument doesn't hold water. You lose the right to free assembly and free speech when you break the law, are convicted and then sentenced to a prison term.

The fact that an MP is visiting this prisoner is neither here nor there.
No and yes. You don't lose the right to free speech. You do however find it difficut to exercise the right to free assembly. You used to lose the right to vote but that's changed recently.
 

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#12
MP is allegedly bugged whilst visiting constituent in prison
To lower the tone, i was kinda hoping this was a typo...
 
#13
If Sadiq Khan 'Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws', what the bloody hell is he complaining about?

And as Babar Ahmad is a frothing jihadi I should hope all his communications are bugged.
 
#14
As far as I am concerned its a fair one.

He wasnt discussing green issues with a Greenpeace supporter, he was having a chat with an individual suspected of raising money for the Taliban. I would say that could possibly be of interest to the Intelligence services, who knows what might come out if they think the chat is confidential ??

Nice to see he can make a trip to prison though for a one to one chat, I wonder if all his constituents get the same level of attention ??
 
#15
In the particular circumstances of this case don't the Security Services have a Common Law right to bug the conversation ?

The test is not what IS said but what it is reasonable to suspect might be said ?
 
#16
For me, the MP involved and the prisoner are somewhat irrelevant.

BUT.

Our MPs are presently proving that they can't be trusted - but can still take The Pi$$. Conway should be sacked. My local MP has done little recently except very public and messy adultery. They get the sort of expense claim freedom that can effectively double a salary that they are already trying to grow out of proportion to inflation and that of other public servants. And so on...

So - if someone is making a decision on who or who not to bug, frankly being an MP or not shouldn't enter the estimate. The Wilson doctrine is corrupt and self-serving.

Bugging is unwholesome but let's all be in the same boat. Does it take MPs to repeal this principle that you don't bug, er, MPs? :roll:
 
#19
I am sure the Prime Minister had no idea about this so the denials are absolutely true.

Why? Because someone else was Prime Minister at the time
 
#20
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