Moving day Helmand style: how to turn a farm into a fortress

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3221602.ece

From The Times January 21, 2008

Moving day Helmand style: how to turn a farm into a fortress
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Anthony Loyd in Budwan, Helmand

The soldiers' knock on the gate came just after 8am on a bitter morning of freezing rain. The Afghans were already awake and tending their livestock inside the compound. There were nearly 50, the extended family of five brothers. Farmers, they had lived in their area for generations. Their ancestors lay buried in a cemetery on a knoll above their home.

“I told them there was bad news,” Warrant Officer Les Bering, the Danish soldier, said. “That they had to go.”

Unknown to the Afghans, their home was the focal point of Operation Thunder, an ambitious British and Danish plan to seize, hold and build on a chunk of territory in the Taleban heartland of the Upper Gereshk Valley, central Helmand. Their spacious compound just happened to be the intended base for FOB Armadillo, a new base of Nato troops. So they had to move. That very day.
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The house may have been necessary from a Military point of view but from the "Hearts and Minds" stand point it has probably recruited that family, plus their extended family, to whichever local war-lord holds sway at present.
 
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happybonzo said:
The house may have been necessary from a Military point of view but from the "Hearts and Minds" stand point it has probably recruited that family, plus their extended family, to whichever local war-lord holds sway at present.
Assuming they've been adequately compensated;

There was compensation. After two hours of negotiation, with British troops keeping watch, the Danes agreed to pay the brothers a four-figure sum in dollars, followed by a relatively handsome monthly rent.
it might be the best thing that's happened to them lately.

I've never been further east than West Germany myself but I'd imagine a couple of thousand $s goes a long way out there.
 

Biped

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They might have money, but how difficult would it be to assist them knock up a quick home close enough to till their land.

I'm not knocking the effort or the compensation, but considering the immediacy of the situation, the attendant engineers and the terrible weather, what would it have cost to knockl something up?
 
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Biped said:
They might have money, but how difficult would it be to assist them knock up a quick home close enough to till their land.

I'm not knocking the effort or the compensation, but considering the immediacy of the situation, the attendant engineers and the terrible weather, what would it have cost to knockl something up?
But would they have wanted a home there. It seems to me that area is now going to be a bit of a shooting range.
 
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"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
 

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krrc said:
"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
Do we have any Challengers at all? They are being cancelled and sold off at one hell of a pace.
 
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krrc said:
"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
No.
 

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baboon6 said:
krrc said:
"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
No.
Out of interest - how did the Danes get their big gear to theatre?
 
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big_mad_ejit said:
happybonzo said:
The house may have been necessary from a Military point of view but from the "Hearts and Minds" stand point it has probably recruited that family, plus their extended family, to whichever local war-lord holds sway at present.
Assuming they've been adequately compensated;

There was compensation. After two hours of negotiation, with British troops keeping watch, the Danes agreed to pay the brothers a four-figure sum in dollars, followed by a relatively handsome monthly rent.
it might be the best thing that's happened to them lately.

I've never been further east than West Germany myself but I'd imagine a couple of thousand $s goes a long way out there.
doubt if it is a good a deal as growing poppy
 

ugly

LE
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Probably flown in big Russian jets!
 
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Alsacien said:
baboon6 said:
krrc said:
"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
No.
Out of interest - how did the Danes get their big gear to theatre?
The same way most large kit gets there, in chartered Antonovs. The Canadian Leopards and British Warriors got there the same way.
 
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baboon6 said:
krrc said:
"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
No.
& Rightly so. There are too many T-72's scattered around that place for my liking.
 
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Bad_Crow said:
baboon6 said:
krrc said:
"The Danes have brought 52-tonne Leopard II tanks to the area."

“The Leopards have had exactly the psychological effect that I hoped they would, both on the Taleban and my men,” Colonel Kristensen added. “The Taleban know that when they start a contact they have between five and ten seconds before it's over"
Do we have any Challengers in Afg?
No.
& Rightly so. There are too many T-72's scattered around that place for my liking.
If used correctly I think they could prove to be very powerfull tools. Tanks Ivan might have gotten his arse handed to him on a plate but hopefully we can do things a little differently.
 

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