Moulded ear defence - any good?

#3
They take a bit of getting used to (and the moulding process is not particularly pleasant) but I found them superb.

Also impress the sh*t out of civvies when you go shooting with them!!
 
#5
Make sure your ears are clean when you go for the fitting - RACAL cannot do it if your ears are gungy...........
but whatever you do, do not use ear buds/keys/combi-tools/screwdrivers/granny's knitting needles. Yes, I've had people come through to get moulded after all of these, and many, many more.
Personally I think the moulded ear defenders are great, once you get used to them.
 
#6
My company is currently deployed, and the vast majority of pax have chinned them off. I personally didn't like them when I used them in th uk, and won't be using them out here.
 

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#7
I swear by the moulded ear defence. Absolutely swear by them. Stick them in and you could quite happily fire the GPMG or be near a very loud explosion and not have a drama with them.
Top tip: Cut the black plastic cord off so all you have is the plastic plugs to fit in the ends of the ear defs themselves. The black cord just gets caught in your helmet or armour when you turn your head and can lead to the plugs being pulled out.

I loved them. Totally unnoticeable after a while. Though give them a sook before you try and fit them in your ears, helps them slide in easier.
 
#8
To be honest they are quite good, a little getting used to and initially uncomfortable.

However as is typical with the Army they rushed out a brought the first thing sold to them.

On H10 we had something like 50 EFRs for these babies, not the impressions but the whole set up, never found out if or CQMS passed these concerns on though?

Several issues I had with it included the weight of the sound module you plugged the ear pieces into caused the plug to pull away from the ear allowing sound in to your ear, had ringing ears for a day after being on the range using them. if you put you finger on them and held them in place they where great however try with out and its not fun.

The system for supporting them around your ears didn't really work or help to take the weight on the sound module.

Also connecting them into your dual role PRR and then a bowman radio causes feed back which nearly blew my ear drum, a warning would be nice.

There are better products out there on the market for £560 and we could have just continued using our PRRs as normal :)

Good for IPOD though :)

Oh and things attached very close to you in the vehicles interfere with them :)
 
#10
Loads of EDRs raised. Ear plugs fall out, ancillaries break too easily, massive howl and feedback when transmitting, incompatible with other items of equipment. Suffice to say, I didn't see too many people wearing them after a couple of weeks. Funnily enough, SF wear another system.
 
#11
I'm sure they where all filed away under the to do pile, at a £1000 a pop just for fitting (the cost according to the fitting guys) I'm sure no one will rush to sort it unfortunatly
 
#12
Loads of EDRs raised. Ear plugs fall out, ancillaries break too easily, massive howl and feedback when transmitting, incompatible with other items of equipment. Suffice to say, I didn't see too many people wearing them after a couple of weeks. Funnily enough, SF wear another system.
Nowadays I am a sport shooter and have been since I was in the air rifle club at school. Are you lot getting the fitted silicone ear plugs with the electronic doo dah's to reduce noise, or are you just getting the silicone part?

All the serious shooters I know, me included, use electronic ear defenders, normally made by Peltor and we wear foam plugs underneath. I have seen SF with Peltor comtac 2, its not a secret the info is out there in plenty of places. The Comtac 2 can be fitted with a mic and allows you to plug into a radio as well as use the ear pieces for shot noise reduction. A lot of boxhead units use this stuff also, Health and Safety with loud bangs around can't have the troops suing the Govt for loss of hearing.

Peltor Comtac II Headband Model Headset MT15H69FB09 FREE S&H MT15H69FB-09. Peltor Hearing Protection.

SF use sound suppresors also, I will not say which models, but for the interested look top of the range. IMHO every squaddie should have a suppresor fitted to his weapon at all times. They reduce, almost to the point of elimination, the need for ear def's which means you are not going to hear bells ringing for three days when someone fires off near you and you are not protected. They also allow you to lay down fire without directly giving away your position to the enemy. They, importantly, allow the clear hearing of shouted orders in a fire fight.

THEIRS:

YouTube - SureFire Suppressor video
 
#13
SF use sound suppresors also, I will not say which models, but for the interested look top of the range. IMHO every squaddie should have a suppresor fitted to his weapon at all times. They reduce, almost to the point of elimination, the need for ear def's which means you are not going to hear bells ringing for three days when someone fires off near you and you are not protected. They also allow you to lay down fire without directly giving away your position to the enemy. They, importantly, allow the clear hearing of shouted orders in a fire fight.
Can't fit a bayonet with a suppressor to a rifle. Bayonets are an integral part of staying alive on tour.
 
#15
Can't fit a bayonet with a suppressor to a rifle. Bayonets are an integral part of staying alive on tour.
Sorry, I wish I knew but I don't.

But I do know that UKSF, USSF and DEU SF have suppresors more or less fitted as standard. I have seen ordinary boxhead squaddies wearing Peltor and I have seen US Navy SEAL's wearing the Peltor Comtac 2. Comtac 2 is more or less designed as under helmet wear to allow retention of head protection whilst allowing comms and ear protection.

To the practicalities of fitting bayonets over suppresors. That is a very, very, simple engineering design problem. The newer generation of suppresors are now very small, weigh around 12 ozs and don't so much screww on the front of the barrel they actually fit back over the barrel by a couple of inches before the attaching starts the idea is to keep the weapon as short as possible and to keep the centre of gravity back near the pistol grip.

Its another one of those. Mummy's have got to write letters to their MP and complain that her son needs a suppresor in Afgahnistan.
 
#16
Nowadays I am a sport shooter ... All the serious shooters I know, me included, use electronic ear defenders, normally made by Peltor and we wear foam plugs underneath.
Firstly, I quite agree that muff-type ear defenders are used by an awful lot of shooters. I'm only adding to this as someone who is quite happy to spend eight hours a day with silicone plugs in; and as a counterpoint to the above point of view (you can get fitted silicone plugs for about £40; but you'll spend nearer £200 if you want the electronic in-ear ones). The foam ones are IMHO better than nothing, and only useful inside a set of earmuffs; but I find my plugs more effective than earmuffs on their own, and am quite happy to use them when firing 7.62 or 5.56.

The reason for wearing muff-type ear defenders is if you're talking to people a lot. They're a lot easier to remove and replace, but the downside is that they can get in the way of a cheekpiece, and your ears can get quite sweaty trapped inside all that insulation. All the serious rifle shooters I know use the silicone plugs - but by "serious" I mean "train with a rifle as a full-time or nearly full-time job". The shotgun and pistol firers have shorter firing series, so they tend to use muffs. Granted I'm talking about the Olympic disciplines rather than fullbore TR, but I'm not aware of any full-time fullbore TR shooters in the UK.

Here's an Olympic gold medallist, and full-time shooter:
http://i2.ce.cn/english/subject/beijing08/tc/200808/17/W020080817627379773151.jpg

And here's another one (Olympic Gold and full-timer, that is):
http://img03.beijing2008.cn/20080809/Img214520040.jpg

If you're feeling really sad, check out the videos on the ISSF website; if you search for "300m" you'll find the 7.62 firers. Most wear earmuffs, but then they're firing 7.62 from inside a building... even then, you'll see a few just using silicone plugs.
issf-sports.org - TV Player
 

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#17
I've not used them for military stuff but I get them at work and they seem to do the biz even if I do constantly lose them.
 
#18
Firstly, I quite agree that muff-type ear defenders are used by an awful lot of shooters. I'm only adding to this as someone who is quite happy to spend eight hours a day with silicone plugs in; and as a counterpoint to the above point of view (you can get fitted silicone plugs for about £40; but you'll spend nearer £200 if you want the electronic in-ear ones). The foam ones are IMHO better than nothing, and only useful inside a set of earmuffs; but I find my plugs more effective than earmuffs on their own, and am quite happy to use them when firing 7.62 or 5.56.
I was probably as close to a pro shooter as you could get before the UK Govt effectively banned handguns and any rifle worthy of note. Now I live in the USA and have picked up shooting again. My particular area of interest is IDPA in which I shoot an unmodified Glock 17, which I shall do until I qualify as a Master.

Whilst there are shooters who wear the electronic silicones, as I said, most people I know wear the Peltor with an inactive foam or similar insert plugged into their ear. I have found that with speed shooting as the senses start to pick up and react you tend to notice the bang more because of the time lag between the electronics picking up the bang and turning the microphone/speaker assembly off. Its only an infintisimal amount of time but you do notice it with repetition. Further, the wearing of eye protection causes the arm of the safety glasses to breach the seal of the muffs allowing leakage of damaging gun shot noise to the ear......so you whang in plugs as an extra insurance and you can still hear range commands and fire instructions. I also wear my Peltors when firing rifles and shotgun.

I have noticed a difference in quality in some of the silicone ear plugs. I have had the benefit of being able to stand back and watch a few different companies make them at gun shows and at motorcycle shows - to be honest most have left me dubious. I spoke with one of the main US manufacturers at the IWA show in Germany last year and was talked thru all the available options. Top of the range worked out at around 300.00 quid. As I am visiting the SHOT Show as an accredited defence journo in January I was intending to see if I could blag some at a nice discount. No, I am not a journo I just know someone who is the editor of a pukka defence journal (not a comic) and he wants me to take pics whilst he does the talky bits.

Suppresors are still the only way to go though.
 
#19
Ive had mine issued recently. And they seem to be a gucci bit of kit although i have not used them assuch yet. Ive heard of people connecting there ipods to them. Being in the navy i always have an ipod or two handy and was wondering how the two are combined. Sounds like it coul be handy for the long flight there and back.
 

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