Motorway madness?

#1
Been caught in a jam recently? Like a 10 mile jam where the police have shut a motorway? Well it’s happened to me twice recently; a 50 minute drive has turned into a 4-5 hour long trek trying to get the last 30 miles.(M25)

Are accidents becoming more horrific………I don’t think so, cars are much better built these days and due to the advent of ABS pile ups are rare. Does the rise in traffic does mean it takes longer for ambulances to arrive….again we now have air ambulances so I doubt it. So why is it that it takes hours to clear the motorway and let tens of thousands of people, each with their own dead lines, to get on with their lives.

As far as I can make out it boils down to the Police and the need to apportion blame. It seems that we can no longer just have an accident anymore, you can’t even call it an accident it is now an incident, RTA's have beenwiped from the vocabulary, they are now RTC (collision) or RTI (incident). The scene of an accident has to be measured, photographed, witnesses interviewed and this process cannot start until the accident investigation team arrive.

Why can’t we just get people out of the cars, get them treated and evacuated and bulldoze the mess to the hard shoulder, put big screen round it to stop rubber neckers and clear it at a less busy time. This would help get the motorways moving again and save the country millions in lost revenue…………

Discuss?
 

chrisg46

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#2
Correct, police these days have to treat any incident as a crime scene...I think anyway thaty involve injuries etc. I can understand it to a certain pov, but some of the ones near me have been a bit silly. Mway has been closed before for most of a day because a man jumped off a bridge. Sad, yes, tragic definitely.

But he jumped off a bridge and was hit by a big lorry.

Not exactly gonna get any forensic evidence are they??? close the bridge he jumped from if they have to look for signs of murder etc but to snarl up one of the principal transport routes for the region and the surrounding area to scrape bits of the road?

The other thing that incenses me at the moment, is roadworks. i understand the need to repair roads etc, but why impose a 50 mph limit when no work is being done, and all three lanes are open??

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#3
If the delay was on the M25 its more likly that the highways agency were involved.

Again another Blair Labour cock up. Instead of expanding the motorway police they set up another agency at much greater cost and as has been pointed out with less efficency.

I dont know why they just did not expand the BTP to cover all main roads and let the local police be freed up to cover their local patch. We then would have had a nation wide traffic police.
 
#4
I'm not so sure the police are to blame - it's more due to the sheer quantity of cars on the road. There are too many vehicles for the size of roads so when a blockage occurs there is very quickly a huge back up. That and the fact that a large number of drivers are rubbish, usually being distracted by their mobiles/CD players/iPod plug-ins to drive a sensible distance behind the bloke in front. And there's the lorries ... god I hate those feckers ... they don't care about cars so jump out into the middle lane (if they aren't already there, the bstards) even if the gap is only marginally longer then the whole bluddy articulated unit. And there's millions of em too. What's wrong with moving all your shagging freight on the trains ?

Answers ? Nationalise the trains to make them cheap and efficient. Better bus and coach services so that people would actually consider it as a viable option. Speed limiters fitted to every car (and fecking lorries) to restrict speeds to 50 mph max, not to make it safer on the roads but to p*ss people off sifficiently so that they may consider using the (cheaper and more efficient) train/bus services.

I think I'll stand for parliament.
 
#5
People injured/ killed or property damaged has to be investigated by police
at the scene of the RTC.Unfortunately, when it happens on the motorway, it does affect a lot of motorists,but you have to be patient you will not find an easier route to get off the m/way.If you are lucky to be at the services when it happens then stay there until the incident has been cleared up bearing mind there will be tailbacks for miles.
 
#7
chrisg46 said:
Correct, police these days have to treat any incident as a crime scene...I think anyway thaty involve injuries etc. I can understand it to a certain pov, but some of the ones near me have been a bit silly. Mway has been closed before for most of a day because a man jumped off a bridge. Sad, yes, tragic definitely.

But he jumped off a bridge and was hit by a big lorry.

Not exactly gonna get any forensic evidence are they??? close the bridge he jumped from if they have to look for signs of murder etc but to snarl up one of the principal transport routes for the region and the surrounding area to scrape bits of the road?
A3 Bedhampton per chance?
 
#8
TartanJock said:
People injured/ killed or property damaged has to be investigated by police
at the scene of the RTC.
Unfortunately, when it happens on the motorway, it does affect a lot of motorists,but you have to be patient you will not find an easier route to get off the m/way.If you are lucky to be at the services when it happens then stay there until the incident has been cleared up bearing mind there will be tailbacks for miles.
At the cost of thousands of others? I disagree, I believe that they are here to serve the public as a whole, leaving people on the motorway in baking heat for 4+ hours is close to false imprisonment in my eyes. Ok they may have turned up in a helicopter with some bottles of water but that doesn't make holding them there while they measure skid marks ok!
 

TheIronDuke

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#9
Thers also the small matter of petrol, oil, deisel, anti-freeze and blood to be washed away safely. And I for one do not wish to have the following conversation.

(Officer) "Crash on the M8 Sir. Your missus copped it. Sorry. What? Oh, we aint got a scooby what happened. We just shunted the mess to the side of the road and stuck a screen round it. Some of those sales reps have targets to hit you know?"

So you're pissed off sitting for an hour? Not as pissed off as the poor sods in the back of the ambulances.
 
#10
Barclays_Banker said:
I'm not so sure the police are to blame - it's more due to the sheer quantity of cars on the road. There are too many vehicles for the size of roads so when a blockage occurs there is very quickly a huge back up. That and the fact that a large number of drivers are rubbish, usually being distracted by their mobiles/CD players/iPod plug-ins to drive a sensible distance behind the bloke in front. And there's the lorries ... god I hate those feckers ... they don't care about cars so jump out into the middle lane (if they aren't already there, the bstards) even if the gap is only marginally longer then the whole bluddy articulated unit. And there's millions of em too. What's wrong with moving all your shagging freight on the trains ?

Answers ? Nationalise the trains to make them cheap and efficient. Better bus and coach services so that people would actually consider it as a viable option. Speed limiters fitted to every car (and fecking lorries) to restrict speeds to 50 mph max, not to make it safer on the roads but to p*ss people off sifficiently so that they may consider using the (cheaper and more efficient) train/bus services.

I think I'll stand for parliament.
Correct that man you win a cigar.

lamp swings: Driving along the M25 and hit the begining of a tail back. As I'm in the landrover I can see the cause, a car stopped in the outside lane. I finally get to the front and find that the "driver" is out of the car, bonnet up and trying to fix it, not get it to the side of the road.

I pull in front, go up to the bloke and suggest that he moves the vehicle out of the way. The truckers who saw me, stopped traffic on the inside 2 lanes and allowed me to get back to my car both were shaking their heads.

I know I was trained at Leconsfield but FFs common sense must prevail at some point.

JJ

My bold
 
#11
I can understand it when there is a fatality but the last big one I was stuck in there were no fatalities. And it's not just one hour, its hours times however many people are in the jam so it's thousands of hours! And I do feel for some of the people in those ambulances but some of them are there because they thought their mobile phone etc required more attention than their 80mph car!
 
#13
The M25 around the Heathrow area is terrible. It all boils down to changing speed restrictions from one junction to another. Compared to other European countries, our motorway system is a farce!
 
#14
TheIronDuke said:
Thers also the small matter of petrol, oil, deisel, anti-freeze and blood to be washed away safely. And I for one do not wish to have the following conversation.

(Officer) "Crash on the M8 Sir. Your missus copped it. Sorry. What? Oh, we aint got a scooby what happened. We just shunted the mess to the side of the road and stuck a screen round it. Some of those sales reps have targets to hit you know?"

So you're pissed off sitting for an hour? Not as pissed off as the poor sods in the back of the ambulances.
I know alot of people hate them, but I have alot of respect for Traffic Police. It's them who have to clean up after terrible accidents and tell the loved ones the tragic news. They are not only about stopping you for a self-inflicted offence of speeding.
 

TheIronDuke

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#15
Judge_John said:
I know alot of people hate them, but I have alot of respect for Traffic Police. It's them who have to clean up after terrible accidents and tell the loved ones the tragic news. They are not only about stopping you for a self-inflicted offence of speeding.
Well said yer Worship. People forget they're often first on the scene. And all the data that they collect goes back somewhere, is analysed and used to make roads & motorways safer places.
 
#16
Best way to beat the jams? Get a motorbike. Car drivers get so p1ssed off when you filter past them on your way home. In the words of Eddie Izzard "I will eat toast before You!" The only problems are those cnuts who purposely try to block you from getting past. You will notice them as they tend to be missing wing mirrors or have four in-line dents in their roofs where an irate biker who they have nearly knocked off, uses his kevlar covered knuckles to let the driver know about it.

The police are not to blame. They are just doing their jobs. I was caught up in a jam on the M6 when an articulated lorry had plowed through the central barrier and smashed into several cars and another artic. The police only closed the motorway to allow heli-ambulance to land and then take off. The police then started the traffic flowing quite quickly again. The thing that slowed it down was the bloody rubber neckers trying to see a bit of gore. The other things that cause jams is those fcukers who can see that the number of lanes is reducing but insist on not moving over before the very end (They tend to be the same fcukers that block motorbikes from getting past). It means that as they try to force their way acrossinto the next land, the traffic has to stop to let them in, as opposed to actually zippering in when they first saw the signs for it. If they thought ahead it would mean that the traffic would keep flowing and not have the braking ripple effect that takes hours to clear and increases the jams. Drivers need to be a little less selfish and think ahead a little more.

Peace Out.
 

chrisg46

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
chrisg46 wrote:
Correct, police these days have to treat any incident as a crime scene...I think anyway thaty involve injuries etc. I can understand it to a certain pov, but some of the ones near me have been a bit silly. Mway has been closed before for most of a day because a man jumped off a bridge. Sad, yes, tragic definitely.

But he jumped off a bridge and was hit by a big lorry.

Not exactly gonna get any forensic evidence are they??? close the bridge he jumped from if they have to look for signs of murder etc but to snarl up one of the principal transport routes for the region and the surrounding area to scrape bits of the road?


A3 Bedhampton per chance?

Nope, M4, Swindon!
 
#18
ishinryu said:
Agreed about folk being foolish not letting bikers past.

The other things that cause jams is those fcukers who can see that the number of lanes is reducing but insist on not moving over before the very end (They tend to be the same fcukers that block motorbikes from getting past). It means that as they try to force their way acrossinto the next land, the traffic has to stop to let them in, as opposed to actually zippering in when they first saw the signs for it. If they thought ahead it would mean that the traffic would keep flowing and not have the braking ripple effect that takes hours to clear and increases the jams. Drivers need to be a little less selfish and think ahead a little more.

Peace Out.
This is exactly counter to the advice I've been given by Traffic Police. If motorists started zipping in from the 6-200 M mark by matching speed and moving into gaps, and folk in the inside lanes didn't stare straight ahead and not let them in, there wouldn't be a problem.

As an example, I was going up the M6 the other week, a traffic queue developed (car carsh or similar), and for 2 miles, I drove up lane 3 of 4, with no traffic apart from a knobber in a Volvo who tried to block both clear lanes.

Absolutely nothing in those two lanes at all.

This means the queue was 1 mile longer than it needed to be. I got up to the 400 M mark, slid gently into the lane of traffic by matching my speed, and no-one was inconvenienced in any way.

Incidentally, many powers the Traffic Police used to have to have have been moved over to the Highways Agency who do seem inclined to get the traffic going again after the Police have their evidence collected. The Police on scene used to close the motorway whilst the surface was repaired, but it was realised that a civil engineer's opinion is probably more valuable in this instance as to whether a road surface is fit for traffic.
 
#19
ishinryu said:
Agreed about folk being foolish not letting bikers past.

The other things that cause jams is those fcukers who can see that the number of lanes is reducing but insist on not moving over before the very end (They tend to be the same fcukers that block motorbikes from getting past). It means that as they try to force their way acrossinto the next land, the traffic has to stop to let them in, as opposed to actually zippering in when they first saw the signs for it. If they thought ahead it would mean that the traffic would keep flowing and not have the braking ripple effect that takes hours to clear and increases the jams. Drivers need to be a little less selfish and think ahead a little more.

Peace Out.
This is exactly counter to the advice I've been given by Traffic Police. If motorists started zipping in from the 6-200 M mark by matching speed and moving into gaps, and folk in the inside lanes didn't stare straight ahead and not let them in, there wouldn't be a problem.

As an example, I was going up the M6 the other week, a traffic queue developed (car carsh or similar), and for 2 miles, I drove up lane 3 of 4, with no traffic apart from a knobber in a Volvo who tried to block both clear lanes.

Absolutely nothing in those two lanes at all.

This means the queue was 1 mile longer than it needed to be. I got up to the 400 M mark, slid gently into the lane of traffic by matching my speed, and no-one was inconvenienced in any way.

Incidentally, many powers the Traffic Police used to have to have have been moved over to the Highways Agency who do seem inclined to get the traffic going again after the Police have their evidence collected. The Police on scene used to close the motorway whilst the surface was repaired, but it was realised that a civil engineer's opinion is probably more valuable in this instance as to whether a road surface is fit for traffic.
 
#20
The thing that p!sses me off more than anything on the motorway are the cone dodgers. They can see the matrix boards and god knows how many signs telling them to get in lane and they wait until the last minute then shove their way in :x
This was happening on the M62 as i was driving down it, i moved into the correct lane when i saw the first sign but there were idiots still flying past me, that was until a big articulated decided that enough was enough, slowed down and effectively shunted the traffic over as they were trying to shove in right at the front, causing tailbacks. :D
If you happen to be reading this mr Lorry driver...Thank you :D
 

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