Either one of these will cost me £50 excess regardless. What do you think? Moto Defy: uses Android 2.2 but upgradeable. Has 'Gorilla Glass', so no scratches. Is waterproof (to an extent), and can survive being dropped from heights. Sounds bloody perfect! Nokia N8: 12mp camera HTC Desire: Currently using one as a temp phone. I like it, if only the batter would last. Few pics and browsing while out with the kids today and it was dead my 4pm. Useful apps, Endomondo Sports Tracker, gmail linkup... I asked for an HTC Desire HD. The told me I could have it for a £100 upgrade fee on top of my excess, even offered the Sony Play for £150 + excess the cheeky cvnts! I would also take a Desire S. I am leaning towards the Moto Defy, never thought I would ever own one again after the crap they have recently been selling, but it seems an Android phone, is an Android phone these days. It sells £200 on flebay, if i do not like it I could always flog and put towards a HD. What do you think?