Most prolonged firefights with PIRA

#1
I came across this clip from the film "Devil's Own" that shows a prolonged firefight between PIRA and the British Army. I've not seen the rest of the film, although the plot synopsis here suggests it's the usual US bollox. (Funny how they changed their tune when it was their turn.......)

Anyhow, clearly it's a work of fiction but it got me wondering as to how many really prolonged and intense firefights did take place?
 
#2
Of the 3 reports I've received from the shooters they lasted seconds:

1x 14int = 4 blokes unloading brownings (5 secs?)
1x Green = Plt Ambush with nightvis on 2xASU sneaking up on PVCP or similar. 1 x30 round mag x plt
1x SF = Death on the rock.

Which leads me to conclude that no contact lasts longer than a mag takes to unload.
 
#3
The extended SF vs ASU vs Green Army contact at the start of Brad Pitts journey to America shows three things.
Hollywood is ignorant of britfor tactics,
Hollywood is ignorant of PIRA tactics (bomb not bullet) and
Brad Pitt and Harrison Ford are ignorant of Northern Ireland.
 
#4
EX_STAB said:
Anyhow, clearly it's a work of fiction but it got me wondering as to how many really prolonged and intense firefights did take place?
Longer ago than I care to remember I happened to be 2-3kms along the border in S Armagh from one that lasted 8-10 minutes I seem to recall. Estimates of 1500+ from PIRA to about 1800 returned by us. No casualities on either side but a good time had by all :D
 
#5
May 1976 - Auchnacloy VCP - Cross Border 40 minutes to 1 Hour.
2x Saracens (30 Browning) 1 LMG Southern Sanger and various section weapons
 
#6
Earlier ones as well (1972/73) with the Cav from Omagh and the Ferrets with 0.30 cals. Details a bit hazy Scots DG anyone?
 

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#8
1972 xmg, 1 LI and I believe it was well over 2000 rds incoming ball, several RPgs and 12000 .30 browning coing back!
 
#9
11/08/73 XMG - 1LI & Boot Troop 17/21L. Firing began 2115 hrs with 3 rounds froma Garand, followed immediately by 25 mortars/RPG (Official figure- actually a lot more as we knicked a lot of the bits as souvenirs) and 1500+ small arms. Replied with 1200+ 7.62 from 2 GPMGs, an LMG and 30 SLRS. Firing ended 2135 hrs when red flare was sent up by PIRA.
 

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#10
What was the border checkpoint attack by the PIRA, November 89, if memory serves. Mortar base plate, Used a digger/dumper truck too I believe. I'm sure the PIRA did a full on section attack on the checkpoint going from room to room?
 
#12
devilish said:
What was the border checkpoint attack by the PIRA, November 89, if memory serves. Mortar base plate, Used a digger/dumper truck too I believe. I'm sure the PIRA did a full on section attack on the checkpoint going from room to room?
Involved 1KINGS. Look at the Regt History!
 
#14
Rackcatchplunger said:
May 1976 - Auchnacloy VCP - Cross Border 40 minutes to 1 Hour.2x Saracens (30 Browning) 1 LMG Southern Sanger and various section weapons
Ah yes, Aughnacloy - seem to recall that was at night and the buggers had dug and revetted trenches by the book - Garda afterwards said there was blood in one of the trenches. We were down there with Malta Troop ** Ind Cdo Sqn RE putting up the CFV screens again (blown up again, shortly after we finished our tour). Interesting time!
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Edited for clarity or something.
 
#15
16/5th spent a few hours on the border engaging the IRA early 70, few thousand rounds fired both ways, IRA had a .30 as well, quite a few fire fights well lots actually in the 70s involved many thousands of rounds down on the border.

Interesting to note that the fighting became more hit and run due to the casualties the IRA took, Belfast 71 or 72 Infantry had to have a ammo resupply on the streets, think it was Green Howards??
 
#16
xenophon wrote:
Longer ago than I care to remember I happened to be 2-3kms along the border in S Armagh from one that lasted 8-10 minutes I seem to recall. Estimates of 1500+ from PIRA to about 1800 returned by us. No casualities on either side but a good time had by all.

Would that have been cross border shoot approx summer 1989, only casualty was a cow which we obviously claimed?
 
#17
Derryard pvcp I think. Outside Rosslea and to the north of Killyvilly.

From memory of reading the report it was RPG to main sanger (GPMG), armoured lorry into gates followed by assault team with gren and home made flamethrower. Room clearance drills by IRA not very good as they missed troops, cook hid in freezer. Ended with car bomb being driven in with time fuse and extraction across border in armoured lorry. I believe these are the basic details but may be wrong and would like to see the op report. Unit may have been LI.

A quick search with Derryard got this.

http://www.military-art.com/gdhm9025.htm
 
#18
offog said:
Derryard pvcp I think. Outside Rosslea and to the north of Killyvilly.

From memory of reading the report it was RPG to main sanger (GPMG), armoured lorry into gates followed by assault team with gren and home made flamethrower. Room clearance drills by IRA not very good as they missed troops, cook hid in freezer. Ended with car bomb being driven in with time fuse and extraction across border in armoured lorry. I believe these are the basic details but may be wrong and would like to see the op report. Unit may have been LI.

A quick search with Derryard got this.

http://www.military-art.com/gdhm9025.htm
Casey Ryback perchance?
 
#20
scarletto said:
Interesting to note that the fighting became more hit and run due to the casualties the IRA took
I might have got this arrseways but is it true that another factor in PIRA attempting attacks like this less and less over the years was that soldier's body armour improved making it much harder to inflict casualties?

Also I assume that this tactic was riskier for them because when they came up against anyone who could shoot back it's amazing how tough they weren't.
 

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