Most infantry related Royal Engineer role?

Hi everyone,

I've currently got a place on the Jan 2020 intake for Sandhurst and I'm trying to decide on a regiment.
I'm interested in the Royal Engineers but also the infantry. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the most infantry/combat-related regiments within the royal engineers. Thanks.
 
Probably Commando or Para

Get on Familiarisation Visits with the RE and various Infantry regiments to see who you fit in with best

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Hi everyone,

I've currently got a place on the Jan 2020 intake for Sandhurst and I'm trying to decide on a regiment.
I'm interested in the Royal Engineers but also the infantry. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the most infantry/combat-related regiments within the royal engineers. Thanks.
It would be prudent to determine how your fitness, motivation and leadership compares with that of your cohort before you consider commanding troops in 59 or 9 Sqn.

If you're smashing the phys, setting example and driving others along, then those Sqns may be for you.

Otherwise...
 

oppoStu

War Hero
It was my understanding that officers only get 1-3 tours anyway, soldiers do the vast majority of the combat/technical roles while the officers just effectively manage their welfare?

My point is, you won't be doing much combat related stuff from what I've researched.
 
Have you got a Degree in Mechanical Engineering or similar?
Don't go down the Geo Route, limited opportunists at Wyton at the moment, apart from going to Minley to study.

Infantry fine if you wish to lead your men and be active in training & operations?
Does depend what you want to gain, study and undertake, waiting till Term 2 at RMAS might help.
Talk to the DS and see what they advise?
 
It was my understanding that officers only get 1-3 tours anyway, soldiers do the vast majority of the combat/technical roles while the officers just effectively manage their welfare?

My point is, you won't be doing much combat related stuff from what I've researched.
That must have come as quite the shock to the near 50 officers killed in afghan.
 

oppoStu

War Hero
It was my understanding that officers only get 1-3 tours anyway...
That must have come as quite the shock to the near 50 officers killed in afghan.
Like I said, officers get a few tours but pale in comparison to the amount soldiers get.

And if you look at the list of British Forces casualties in Afghanistan you will see that the vast majority are soldiers, not officers with most of the officers serving in PARA or SRS etc.

My comment was generalising the fact that if you want a combat role in the army, the officer route isn't it.
 
Like I said, officers get a few tours but pale in comparison to the amount soldiers get.

And if you look at the list of British Forces casualties in Afghanistan you will see that the vast majority are soldiers, not officers with most of the officers serving in PARA or SRS etc.

My comment was generalising the fact that if you want a combat role in the army, the officer route isn't it.
Because the vast majority are other ranks. 50 offers killed from 450 is a high percentage of actual officers out on the ground. I did 4 tours of Iraq and out pretty much every single day and don't remember ever once leaving the wire without an officer.
 

oppoStu

War Hero
Because the vast majority are other ranks. 50 offers killed from 450 is a high percentage of actual officers out on the ground. I did 4 tours of Iraq and out pretty much every single and don't remember ever once leaving the wire without an officer.
I did say officers get tours... so I don't see your argument.

We are literally agreeing with each other.
 
I did say officers get tours... so I don't see your argument.

We are literally agreeing with each other.
You said "you won't be doing much combat related stuff from what I have researched" I am saying you are wrong, as the casualties and experience back up. It isn't an argument no, I am telling you the way it is. When you finally get into the army you will see.
 

oppoStu

War Hero
You said "you won't be doing much combat related stuff from what I have researched" I am saying you are wrong, as the casualties and experience back up. It isn't an argument no, I am telling you the way it is. When you finally get into the army you will see.
Meant in proportion to your army career... few tours as an officer and then you do mainly desk work, just what I've seen in ARRSE threads written by soldiers/officers alike.

It's hard to contextualise properly over text and I feel I don't have sufficient evidence to back up that 2nd Lieutenant Dave won't be leading a platoon on operations throughout his life up to Brigadier and onwards.
 

ugly

LE
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I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the most infantry/combat-related regiments within the royal engineers.
There really isn't one, despite what the RE will claim, its the reverse, the best option is Infantry Assault Pioneer but no officers do that, thank feck!
 
There really isn't one, despite what the RE will claim, its the reverse, the best option is Infantry Assault Pioneer but no officers do that, thank feck!
9 PARA Sqn RE and 59 Independent Commando Sqn RE were amongst the lead elements of every action during Op CORPORATE, culminating in Recce Tp 59 with 2 PARA 'winning the race to Port Stanley'.

But, Sappers fighting as infantry whilst 'real' infantry soldiers sat at home watching it on TV is only an idle claim.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
9 PARA Sqn RE and 59 Independent Commando Sqn RE were amongst the lead elements of every action during Op CORPORATE, culminating in Recce Tp 59 with 2 PARA 'winning the race to Port Stanley'.

But, Sappers fighting as infantry whilst 'real' infantry soldiers sat at home watching it on TV is only an idle claim.
Dan, Corporate was a different war, one of my presentations on a Jnco cadre was engineer support in all of the phases of battle. The problem is we dont have those field sqns free in the way we used to have to throw into a battle supporting troops in the same way.
Yes the RE always make enough noise to be heard, the problem is manpower and playing infantry when you should be doing engineer tasks is poor use of resources.
FiL was an Oggie, I have time for the wedgeheads but they aren't infantry and shouldn't be used as such.
Even in a specialist Bde the resources available are miniscule compared to what the commanders need hence training of assault pioneers!
 
Dan, Corporate was a different war, one of my presentations on a Jnco cadre was engineer support in all of the phases of battle. The problem is we dont have those field sqns free in the way we used to have to throw into a battle supporting troops in the same way.
Yes the RE always make enough noise to be heard, the problem is manpower and playing infantry when you should be doing engineer tasks is poor use of resources.
FiL was an Oggie, I have time for the wedgeheads but they aren't infantry and shouldn't be used as such.
Even in a specialist Bde the resources available are miniscule compared to what the commanders need hence training of assault pioneers!
Oggies in the Airborne/ Cdo formations are configured in a similar fashion to Assault Engineers - Pioneers, in that they deploy as infantry with the lead elements, in small numbers, lightly equipped to meet limited engineer tasks, such as minefield breaching, dems etc, then grouped together as required for bigger tasks like bridging, water supply points etc.

As always, the risk of being Jack of all trades can mean master of none.
 
Hi everyone,

I've currently got a place on the Jan 2020 intake for Sandhurst and I'm trying to decide on a regiment.
I'm interested in the Royal Engineers but also the infantry. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the most infantry/combat-related regiments within the royal engineers. Thanks.
what is it attracts you to the two roles?

if you're an engineering grad who wants to do a few years in the army and then get out and work as an engineer then RE makes sense. if you fancy a career in the army then have a harder look at whether or not you'd actually be better just biting the bullet and going for an inf regt.
 
Hi everyone,

I've currently got a place on the Jan 2020 intake for Sandhurst and I'm trying to decide on a regiment.
I'm interested in the Royal Engineers but also the infantry. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the most infantry/combat-related regiments within the royal engineers. Thanks.
I'm not sure about Ruperts, but my advice to a Tom would be - if you are considering being a Grunt or a Sapper, then join as a Grunt or you will always regret not knowing what it was really like, and then transfer later if you want something more trade / qual related.

Transferring from ENGRS to INF would not be a likely or easy ride, as in my opinion such a move would be a 'downgrade' (and that's coming from and ex-Grunt).

Good Luck.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Oggies in the Airborne/ Cdo formations are configured in a similar fashion to Assault Engineers - Pioneers, in that they deploy as infantry with the lead elements, in small numbers, lightly equipped to meet limited engineer tasks, such as minefield breaching, dems etc, then grouped together as required for bigger tasks like bridging, water supply points etc.

As always, the risk of being Jack of all trades can mean master of none.
2 brigades there, surely we have more? During my time in the airmobile trials we were assured that engineer support would be limited, two reasons, the north to south bar mine belt wasn't going to lay itself and any planties would be busy digging in the CO's mexe shelter.
On all of the corps and smaller ftx's I only saw engineers in the lead formations, err never. 3 Cdo and 16 AA were different but if we can muster more than 2 Brigades I'd like to hope that they do have support. I do recall seeing a Blowpipe team allocated to our Coy BG, just the once!
 
2 brigades there, surely we have more? During my time in the airmobile trials we were assured that engineer support would be limited, two reasons, the north to south bar mine belt wasn't going to lay itself and any planties would be busy digging in the CO's mexe shelter.
On all of the corps and smaller ftx's I only saw engineers in the lead formations, err never. 3 Cdo and 16 AA were different but if we can muster more than 2 Brigades I'd like to hope that they do have support. I do recall seeing a Blowpipe team allocated to our Coy BG, just the once!
The engineer tasking for large, probably armoured, formations are endless and always beyond the resources available, and you're right, why would they fanny around playing at being infantry, when demand for their primary role is so high?

The OP, was asking if there are any RE units who are more orientated to direct combat/infantry work.

The expeditionary nature of 16AA and 3 Cdo make different demands of their engineer support, hence the existence of 9 PARA and 59 Cdo.
 
9 PARA Sqn RE and 59 Independent Commando Sqn RE were amongst the lead elements of every action during Op CORPORATE, culminating in Recce Tp 59 with 2 PARA 'winning the race to Port Stanley'.

But, Sappers fighting as infantry whilst 'real' infantry soldiers sat at home watching it on TV is only an idle claim.
The RE Coys were enhanced some years back to 23 Engr Regt and 24 Engr Regt, Para and Cdo in that order. I might be wrong, but it was in PM Cameron’s time as they were grafting flipping hard.
 

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