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Fun list from Hushkit that may nark @Magic_Mushroom as it doesn't contain the F-16

 

Cold_Collation

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Fun list from Hushkit that may nark @Magic_Mushroom as it doesn't contain the F-16

Not convinced by some of the rankings, there... the Typhoon below the P-47 or the Stuka, for instance?

And not just the absence of the F-16, either. If we're splitting hairs, helicopters/aircraft? Given recent conflicts, where are the F-18, Tornado, B-1, F-111... the list could go on.
 
Not convinced by some of the rankings, there... the Typhoon below the P-47 or the Stuka, for instance?

And not just the absence of the F-16, either. If we're splitting hairs, helicopters/aircraft? Given recent conflicts, where are the F-18, Tornado, B-1, F-111... the list could go on.
And, in terms of development of both the technique and the aircraft to do it: Junkers J-1, Sopwith Salamander, Hawker Hurricane (especially the IID and E), Henschel HS-129, Hawker Hunter FGA Mk9 and so on.
 
Fun list from Hushkit that may nark @Magic_Mushroom as it doesn't contain the F-16

These sorts of lists are meaningless quite frankly. They're inevitably written by non-specialist, look at things from a very simplistic perspective (eg no consideration of contested/uncontested airspace, weather factors, RoE and weapons), and are entirely subjective.

The comment about the A-10 being 'ferociously successful' in GW1 is telling given it was withdrawn from certain areas and the F-!11 killed more tanks and AFVs - by far - than any other aircraft in the War despite only being deployed in relatively limited numbers.

That said, I'd probably agree that the Il-2 was the most effective CAS aircraft in history. While that's undeniably partly due to numbers and the declining state of Nazi opposition from 1943, the type established a perfect balance between armour, armament, speed and manoeuvrability. It's development, the Il-10, was even better but the War in Europe ended before it served in large numbers and it never really had the opportunity to make a mark in Korea.

The Su-25 is very much a modern Sturmovik in terms of balancing requirements and far superior to the A-10...in my subjective view! :)

Regards,
MM
 
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On this day 70 years ago, North American delivered the first YF-86D Muroc Air Base (now known as Edwards AFB).

The 'Sabre-Dog' was a heavily modified variant of the F-86 Sabre (it was originally to have been known as the F-95) and introduced a wider fuselage, ventral rocket pack and a distinctive nose radar.

While perhaps not quite as pretty as the Sabre 'classic', it still looks good to me!

Regards,
MM
 
On this day 70 years ago, North American delivered the first YF-86D Muroc Air Base (now known as Edwards AFB).

The 'Sabre-Dog' was a heavily modified variant of the F-86 Sabre (it was originally to have been known as the F-95) and introduced a wider fuselage, ventral rocket pack and a distinctive nose radar.

While perhaps not quite as pretty as the Sabre 'classic', it still looks good to me!

Regards,
MM
Was it a good handler, only ask as that tail fin ain't half small?
 
Was it a good handler, only ask as that tail fin ain't half small?
F-86 of all variants were widely regarded as being amongst the most pleasant early swept-wing types to fly.

‘...the F-86 has excellent control harmony, very good visibility, and good handling during landing approaches. It’s a lovely machine.’

Regards,
MM
 
F-86 of all variants were widely regarded as being amongst the most pleasant early swept-wing types to fly.

‘...the F-86 has excellent control harmony, very good visibility, and good handling during landing approaches. It’s a lovely machine.’

Regards,
MM
It took the USN three versions of the FJ1-FJ2/FJ3 to get a maritime version up to scratch for the FJ4.
 
It took the USN three versions of the FJ1-FJ2/FJ3 to get a maritime version up to scratch for the FJ4.
The FJ-1 (seen on the left in the photo below) was arguably more closely related to the F-51 than the F-86. The FJ-2 (on the right) was the first true Navy Sabre variant but it wasn't until the FJ-3 and FJ-4 the design became of real use, by which stage it was already being superseded by types such as the F-11 Tiger, F3H Demon and F-8 Crusader.

FJ-1...

...FJ-2...

...FJ-3...

...FJ-4.

The family tree...

Ultimately, carrier compatibility imposes limitations on designs and converting a land-based type for carrier ops has historically shown to be particularly challenging. At no point in aviation history was that more true than during the early jet age.

So it's amazing the Sabre even made the transition to decks tbh!

Regards,
MM
 

exspy

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The FJ-1 (seen on the left in the photo below) was arguably more closely related to the F-51 than the F-86.
Wasn't the F-51 just a re-designated P-51 Mustang? I stand to be corrected, however.

Cheers,
Dan.
 
Wasn't the F-51 just a re-designated P-51 Mustang? I stand to be corrected, however.

Cheers,
Dan.
Yes.

The ‘P for Pursuit’ was replaced by ‘F for Fighter’ from 1948. Hence, the P-51 automatically became the F-51, the P-47 the F-47, P-80 the F-80 and so on.

Regards,
MM
 

exspy

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The ‘P for Pursuit’ was replaced by ‘F for Fighter’ from 1948. Hence, the P-51 automatically became the F-51...
I understand that, what I don't understand is why you think the aircraft pictured below reminds you of a Mustang?

 
...what I don't understand is why you think the aircraft pictured below reminds you of a Mustang?...
I didn’t say it reminded me of the Mustang visually. I said it was more closely related to the F-51 than the F-86.

Look at it in plan view...


The cockpit, wings, tail plane and vertical stabilisers are almost identical.

Regards,
MM
 

Yokel

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These sorts of lists are meaningless quite frankly. They're inevitably written by non-specialist, look at things from a very simplistic perspective (eg no consideration of contested/uncontested airspace, weather factors, RoE and weapons), and are entirely subjective.

The comment about the A-10 being 'ferociously successful' in GW1 is telling given it was withdrawn from certain areas and the F-!11 killed more tanks and AFVs - by far - than any other aircraft in the War despite only being deployed in relatively limited numbers.

That said, I'd probably agree that the Il-2 was the most effective CAS aircraft in history. While that's undeniably partly due to numbers and the declining state of Nazi opposition from 1943, the type established a perfect balance between armour, armament, speed and manoeuvrability. It's development, the Il-10, was even better but the War in Europe ended before it served in large numbers and it never really had the opportunity to make a mark in Korea.

The Su-25 is very much a modern Sturmovik in terms of balancing requirements and far superior to the A-10...in my subjective view! :)

Regards,
MM
Did you mean to say those of lists are meaningless as they are written by simpletons? Case in point, a programme about the 'Top Ten Fighters' and the mighty Sea Harrier was mentioned. Cue the talking heads referring to ground attack and lack of a radar. Sea Harrier NOT Harrier GR1/3/5/7/9 or AV-8A/AV-8B.

Same programme the F-4 Phantom was labelled a 'flying bus'.
 

Slime

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Apologies for posting this very well known video, but any mention of the F86 is a good excuse to re post it.

 

Cold_Collation

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I didn’t say it reminded me of the Mustang visually. I said it was more closely related to the F-51 than the F-86.

Look at it in plan view...


The cockpit, wings, tail plane and vertical stabilisers are almost identical.

Regards,
MM
Reinforcing that point, consider the Meteor: in terms of design it was very conventional, it just replaced piston engines with jets.
 
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Apologies for posting this very well known video, but any mention of the F86 is a good excuse to re post it.

I’ve actually never seen that before! Brilliant!!

Regards,
MM
 

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