More support to help people to become HGV drivers among package of government measures to ease risk of shortages

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Is that seen as onerous?

Imagine an infantry RSM with 22 years experience needing to pay £375 to learn how to put a beret on, or learn how to lace up boots ;)

Going on a course so a driver can ‘learn’ something he may have been doing five days a week for forty years………….and have to pay out of his/her own pocket for the privilege is a bit of an insult.
 
Imagine an infantry RSM with 22 years experience needing to pay £375 to learn how to put a beret on, or learn how to lace up boots ;)

Going on a course so a driver can ‘learn’ something he may have been doing five days a week for forty years………….and have to pay out of his/her own pocket for the privilege is a bit of an insult.
I think that sums it up nicely.
 
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Wasn't it Matthews of Gt Yarmouth who had a driver die in Greece and wouldn't pay to repatriate the body, then expected the driver who was sent out to retrieve the truck to sleep in the cab that he died in.
If true then that is all they will be known for plus I wonder how that helped their recruitment.
stable door n horses, wots le by tag mean? not ex owt so dont know what medal things denote either, reall good chat tho, ta
 
This thread is full of gold.
I'm not ex anything either but I've driven trucks just enough to know that the transport industry is dodgier than the smack and coke addicts I used to know.
Who are now 2/3rds of them dead from a sleazy life of living on the streets - which is where I hope a lot of these greedy, short sighted, grasping cnuts of companies will be. And DVSA, Just In Time Delivery etc etc.
There's just been too much wrong with the industry for too long to list.
 
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This thread is full of gold.
I'm not ex anything either but I've driven trucks just enough to know that the transport industry is dodgier than the smack and coke addicts I used to know.
Who are now 2/3rds of them dead from a sleazy life of living on the streets - which is where I hope a lot of these greedy, short sighted, grasping cnuts of companies will be. And DVSA, Just In Time Delivery etc etc.
There's just been too much wrong with the industry for too long to list.
but arent dvsa all super new and shiny now? with wonderfull new online clinics / workshops we can join, to enrich ourselves philosophically and expand our minds? oh i love the tripe that continually seems to filter down from that pinnacle of excellence known as no 10, wrappin us all in its loving arms of care, bollox, now im talking sh*te, T
 
Wasn't it Matthews of Gt Yarmouth who had a driver die in Greece and wouldn't pay to repatriate the body, then expected the driver who was sent out to retrieve the truck to sleep in the cab that he died in.
If true then that is all they will be known for plus I wonder how that helped their recruitment.
I’ll ask, I know someone there.
 

Wonder If I'll get a letter?
Be nice to be asked, but I’m afraid it’ll wash straight over me. The extra money being offered by some companies would be nice, but as a few guys on here will testify it’s the working conditions that has driven lots away from the industry.
@PapaGolf you mentioned a number of complaints about deficating in lay-bys and bottles of piss. Majority of that stuff didn’t happen here till the Eastern bloc drivers came over.
Truckstops are being shut down, parking bays on the side of the roads are being closed. It’s getting harder and harder to find somewhere to park up, get something to eat, shower. Industrial Estates are stopping overnight parking.
Motorway services are a rip off in this country, it costs between £20 & £40 to park overnight (9 hrs min).
One last thing, everything you own, wear, eat travelled by truck at some point.
 
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there all stayin at home tho cos that nasty Boris wont let them come for more than two months, its all a comspiracy by the RHA, Mr Shapps said so, honest........
 
Imagine an infantry RSM with 22 years experience needing to pay £375 to learn how to put a beret on, or learn how to lace up boots ;)

Going on a course so a driver can ‘learn’ something he may have been doing five days a week for forty years………….and have to pay out of his/her own pocket for the privilege is a bit of an insult.
I need to disagree with that one.

Training and refresher training is always a good idea, especially when you’re driving 40 tonnes of metal around at speed. Doubly so if you’re load consists of something harzardous.

In your example your RSM has to go through yearly training as a minimum for weapons handling, first aid, APWT and CRBN training? Why do you think he has to go through all of that? After all, he has been trained.

If it costs somebody £325 every three years to go on a refresher course (I went on a FLT course 18 months ago. I haven’t touched one since the course) that also doubles up as a means of communicating changes in legislation, then it’s a no brainer.

I’d be questioning why such courses aren’t compulsory for other drivers in the road. After all, the same argument could be used for other motorists. It wasn’t until I had to go on a speed awareness course a few years back, that I realised how bad other motorists are on the road. I personally think those type of courses should be made mandatory for all.
 
there all stayin at home tho cos that nasty Boris wont let them come for more than two months, its all a comspiracy by the RHA, Mr Shapps said so, honest........
Don’t worry, I’m sure companies like IKEA will continue with their normal practices. Bring in a load of poorly paid Eastern European drivers, let them live in their cabs for 3 months and pay them a fraction of U.K. haulage rates.

My old man is a classic example. A die hard socialist who went into lorry driving when he retired. All he did was complain about how poorly paid HGV drivers were and how cheap Eastern European Labour had kept British drivers wages low. How consumers shifting away from shops to internet purchases are bad for the economy etc etc

All of a sudden he’s now complaining how improved driver wages are going to impact on prices and that’s a bad thing.
 
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yes, and as ive read on prior posts last night, they will even have an al fresco ensuite bathroom just by the cab!! is the bidet thingy really for washing your feet in......?
 
My last one was in Sept 2019.
I had to use five days of my holiday entitlement and pay £375 to sit in a classroom learning how to do something that I do for a living.
And while I was there, I was classed as being at work, so those hours were added to my working hours even though I had to use my holiday allowance, which is normally part of my rest period.
Those work hours have to be balanced against my rest period over a 17 week average.
Imagine being told by your boss that you can't have any overtime this month because your hours are up.
I can honestly say that I learned nothing new on that course.
Some people will learn from them, and that's great, I'm sure on the next one something may come up that I didn't know about, but it would be more acceptable if they were held on a normal work day and we got paid for attending, rather than pay for the privilege.
That sounds rubbish, but its a problem of crap employers and working conditions.

GPs whinge about having to spend their time and money doing CPD too, but you could both kill someone if you develop bad habits doing the thing you do for a living.
 
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dont know what that means IR35 "tax changes / charges? but i am from the North, and am now part of the great unwashed n unemployed, Not through choice, Mr Stroke got me @ 52 yo, so as Mr Trevor Phillps, Sky on sunday thing said the other day, im off to scoff me Spam Fritters, put me flat cap on n walk me lurcher, and im calling in to see Mr Sunak (senior) and Ms T Coffey for advice on my new retirement status and how to plan for it!! oh goody!! pins n eyes comes to mind, T
 

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Last time this happened, the tom's who drove the civvy fuel trucks (once they had a hazardous goods ticket) realised they had a qualification that was transferrable and took the pay rise in civvystrauser.
 
Imagine an infantry RSM with 22 years experience needing to pay £375 to learn how to put a beret on, or learn how to lace up boots ;)

Going on a course so a driver can ‘learn’ something he may have been doing five days a week for forty years………….and have to pay out of his/her own pocket for the privilege is a bit of an insult.
I've had to do continuation training and bespoke training before specific appointment throughout my career. Much of it was revision, but there is the occasional nugget of new information.

Out of interest, is the CPC interactive or mainly listening? Surely elements of it could be put onto podcasts to be listened to whilst driving?
 
Last time this happened, the tom's who drove the civvy fuel trucks (once they had a hazardous goods ticket) realised they had a qualification that was transferrable and took the pay rise in civvystrauser.
After the first fuel strike ins 2000 we haemorrhaged blokes with ADR licenses. even back then, they lads were leaving as JNCOs and onto £40k a year, apparently the best jobs were at airports...less driving same money. Although I suspect Blairs Eurovision and influx of Easties subsequently tempered that?
 

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I need to disagree with that one.

Training and refresher training is always a good idea, especially when you’re driving 40 tonnes of metal around at speed. Doubly so if you’re load consists of something harzardous.

In your example your RSM has to go through yearly training as a minimum for weapons handling, first aid, APWT and CRBN training? Why do you think he has to go through all of that? After all, he has been trained.

If it costs somebody £325 every three years to go on a refresher course (I went on a FLT course 18 months ago. I haven’t touched one since the course) that also doubles up as a means of communicating changes in legislation, then it’s a no brainer.

I’d be questioning why such courses aren’t compulsory for other drivers in the road. After all, the same argument could be used for other motorists. It wasn’t until I had to go on a speed awareness course a few years back, that I realised how bad other motorists are on the road. I personally think those type of courses should be made mandatory for all.

This isn’t a dig at you, but as your post actually contradicts your disagreement, are you aware of how the CPC training actually works?
 
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Listenin to podcast as driving big lump of metal? sort of defeats the object, still i suppose you could call it on the job training, at the subsequent hearing for mowin down a bus stop full of oap"s you could always try that one.....?
 

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