More Stench from Benghazi Coonsulate Murders

(Edited to apologize for the misspelling in the thread title)

The sorry affair seems to get worse by the day:

New Details From Libya Consulate Attack: State Department Abandons Claim Of Protest Outside Gates

Here is a more comprehensive timeline that makes the lack of security at the consulate on 9/11 tantamount to criminal neglect at best:

[/QUOTE]New evidence shows there were security threats in Libya in the months prior to the deadly September 11 attack that killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. Despite these threats, the State Department left its personnel there to fend for themselves.

And when the terrorist attack did take place, the Obama Administration tried to attribute the incident to an offensive, amateurish, anti-Islam YouTube video apparently it now appears in order to avoid characterizing the murders of four Americans as terrorism.

April 6: IED thrown over the fence of the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi.

April 11: Gun battle erupts between armed groups two-and-a-half miles from the U.S. Consulate, including rocket-propelled grenades.

April 27: Two South African contractors are kidnapped by armed men, released unharmed.

May 1: Deputy Commander of U.S. Embassy Tripoli’s Local Guard Force is carjacked, beaten, and detained by armed youth.

May 1: British Embassy in Tripoli is attacked by a violent mob and set on fire. Other NATO embassies attacked as well.

May 3: The State Department declines a request from personnel concerned about security at the U.S. Embassy in Libya for a DC-3 plane to take them around the country.

May 22: Two rocket-propelled grenades are fired at the Benghazi office of the International Committee of the Red Cross, less than 1 mile from the U.S. Consulate.

June 6: A large IED destroys part of the security perimeter of the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. Creates hole “big enough for 40 men to go through.”

June 10: A car carrying the British ambassador is attacked in Tripoli. Two bodyguards injured.

Late June: The building of the International Red Cross attacked again and closed down, leaving the U.S. flag as the only international one still flying in Benghazi, an obvious target.

August 6: Armed assailants carjack a vehicle with diplomatic plates operated by U.S. personnel.

September 8: A local security officer in Benghazi warns American officials about deteriorating security.

September 11: Protesters attack the U.S. Cairo embassy. U.S. Embassy releases statement and tweets sympathizing with Muslim protesters/attackers.

September 11: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya is attacked, Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans are killed.

September 12: Secretary Clinton and President Obama issue statements condemning both the video and the attacks.

September 12: U.S. intelligence agencies have enough evidence to conclude a terrorist attack was involved.

September 13: Press Secretary Jay Carney condemns video and violence at a news conference.

September 14: Carney denies Administration had “actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.”

September 14: The bodies of slain Americans return to Andrews Air Force Base. President Obama again blames the YouTube video.

September 16: U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice appears on Sunday talk shows and says it was the fact that the attacks were provoked by the video, exclusively.

September 16: Libyan President Mohamed Magarief says, “no doubt that this [attack] was preplanned, predetermined.”

September 17: State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland refuses to call attacks an act of terror.

September 19: CNN reports having found Ambassador Stevens’s diary, which indicates concern about security threats in Benghazi.

September 19: Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Matthew Olsen tells Congress the attack in Libya was “terrorism.”

September 20: Carney tries to back up Olsen, says it was “self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.”

September 20: Obama refuses to call attack terrorism, citing insufficient information.

September 21: Secretary of State Clinton, at meeting with Pakistani Foreign Minister, says, “What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.”

September 25: On ABC’s “The View,” Obama says, “we don’t have all of the information yet so we are still gathering.”

September 25: To the U.N. assembly, Obama blames “A crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.”

September 26: Libya’s Magarief on the “Today” show says, “It was a preplanned act of terrorism directed against American citizens.”

September 26: Published reports show U.S. Intel agencies and the Obama Administration knew within 24 hours that al-Qaeda affiliated terrorist were involved.

September 27: Innocence of Muslims filmmaker Mark Basseley Youseff (aka Nakoula Basseley Nakoula) is arrested and denied bail on the charges of “probation violation.”

September 28: Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper, Jr., issues a statement backing the Obama Administration’s changing story about the Libyan attack. Says facts are evolving.

October 2: Carney declines to comment on reported requests from diplomats in Libya for additional security, citing the State Department’s internal investigation[/QUOTE]

Here is another summary just put up by CNN:

(CNN) -- Comments by U.S. officials regarding the September 11 attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans -- including the U.S. ambassador to the country -- have provoked controversy among some critics.
Some Republicans have accused the Obama administration of being less than forthcoming about the causes of the incident, saying it has focused on "The Innocence of Muslims," the inflammatory online video mocking the Muslim Prophet Mohammed, as the explanation for the attack.
Here's a rundown of notable statements by administration officials, publicly and in interviews with CNN:
September 12 -- President Barack Obama:
"The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. ... No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."
September 12 -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:
"We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. America's commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear -- there is no justification for this, none."
September 12 -- White House spokesman Jay Carney, in response to questions about whether the attack was planned:
"It's too early for us to make that judgment. I think -- I know that this is being investigated, and we're working with the Libyan government to investigate the incident. So I would not want to speculate on that at this time."
September 13 -- Jay Carney:
"The protests we're seeing around the region are in reaction to this movie. They are not directly in reaction to any policy of the United States or the government of the United States or the people of the United States."
September 13 -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that the Benghazi violence was a "clearly planned attack":
"It was not an innocent mob," the official said. "The video or 9/11 made a handy excuse and could be fortuitous from their perspective, but this was a clearly planned military-type attack."
September 13 -- State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland:
"Well, as we said yesterday when we were on background, we are very cautious about drawing any conclusions with regard to who the perpetrators were, what their motivations were, whether it was premeditated, whether they had any external contacts, whether there was any link, until we have a chance to investigate along with the Libyans. So I know that's going to be frustrating for you, but we really want to make sure that we do this right and we don't jump to conclusions. That said, obviously, there are plenty of people around the region citing this disgusting video as something that has been motivating."
September 14 -- Jay Carney:
"We were not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent."
September 16 -- Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS' "Face the Nation":
"We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned."
September 18 -- Jay Carney:
"Our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped -- that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation."
September 19 -- Jay Carney:
"It is a simple fact that there are, in post-revolution, post-war Libya, armed groups, there are bad actors hostile to the government, hostile to the West, hostile to the United States. And as has been the case in other countries in the region, it is certainly conceivable that these groups take advantage of and exploit situations that develop, when they develop, to protest against or attack either Westerners, Americans, Western sites or American sites. ... Right now I'm saying we don't have evidence at this point that this was premeditated or preplanned to coincide on a -- to happen on a specific date or coincide with that anniversary."
September 19 -- Director of National Intelligence Matthew Olson, responding to a question by Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Chairman Joe Lieberman on whether the attack was a terrorist attack:
"They were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. ... At this point, what I would say is that a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly the Benghazi area, as well we are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb." Olson also said U.S. officials had no "specific evidence of significant advanced planning."
September 20 -- Jay Carney:
"It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials."
September 20 -- President Obama at a town hall meeting organized by the Spanish-language Univsion Network, responding to a question about the possible involvement of al Qaeda:
"What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests."
September 21 -- Hillary Clinton:
"What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans."
September 25 -- President Obama on ABC's The View," in response interviewer Joy Behar's question, "I heard Hillary Clinton say it was an act of terrorism. Is it? What do you say?":
"We're still doing an investigation. There's no doubt that (with) the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn't just a mob action. We don't have all the information yet, so we're still gathering it. But what's clear is that around the world there's still a lot of threats out there." Obama also said "extremist militias" were suspected to have been involved.
September 26 -- Hillary Clinton:
"What is happening inside Mali is augmented by the rising threat from violent extremism across the region. For some time, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and other groups have launched attacks and kidnappings from northern Mali into neighboring countries. Now, with a larger safe haven and increased freedom to maneuver, terrorists are seeking to extend their reach and their networks in multiple directions. And they are working with other violent extremists to undermine the democratic transitions under way in North Africa, as we tragically saw in Benghazi."
September 27 -- Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta:
"It was a terrorist attack. ... As we determined the details of what took place there, and how that attack took place, that it became clear that there were terrorists who had planned that attack."
September 27 -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that it became clear within about a day of the Benghazi attack that it been the work of terrorists.
Separately, CNN National Security Analyst Fran Townsend reports that a law enforcement source told her that "from day one we had known clearly that this was a terrorist attack."
September 28 -- Statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper:
"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving. As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists."
October 1 -- Nuland, in response to calls from Rep. Peter King, R-California, for Rice to resign because her remarks about the attack were, according to him, misleading:
"Well, let me start by saying that Secretary Clinton believes that Ambassador Rice has done a superb job. So let's just start there, and we completely reject any such calls here in this building."
October 1 -- Nuland, responding to a question about whether officials in Libya had sought additional security for diplomatic installations and personnel there:
"I think it's fair to say that we are still working through what we have in this building in terms of documentation, in terms of information about what we knew, who knew it, when they knew it, and that's part of the process that we have to go through."
October 2 -- Carney:
"I can tell you that from the moment our facility was attacked in Benghazi, the president's focus has been on securing our diplomats and facilities in Libya and around the world, and on bringing the killers to justice. At every step of the way, the administration has based its public statements on the best assessments that were provided by the intelligence community. As the intelligence community learned more information they updated Congress and the American people on it."
October 9 -- During a background briefing with reporters, a senior State Department official responding to a question about whether the attack was a spontaneous assault taking advantage of a demonstration over the movie:
"That is a question that you would have to ask, have to ask others. That was not, that was not our conclusion. I'm not saying that we had a conclusion."
The background briefing contains detailed information about the attack, including how dozens of armed men stormed the complex as Stevens and two security team members took refuge in a fortified room.
"The lethality and the number of armed people is unprecedented," one official said. "There had been no attacks like that anywhere in Libya -- Tripoli, Benghazi or anywhere -- in the time that we had been there. And so it is unprecedented, in fact, it would be very, very hard to find precedent for an attack like (it) in recent diplomatic history."
October 9 -- Clapper, during a speech in Orlando, Florida:
Upon returning from a trip to Australia, Clapper said, he was "reading the media clips about the hapless, hopeless, helpless, inept, incompetent DNI, because I acknowledged publicly that we didn't instantly have that 'God's eye, God's ear' certitude" about what had happened.
He later added, in answer to a question, "The challenge is always a tactical warning, the exact insights ahead of time that such an attack is going to take place and obviously we did not have that. This gets into the mysteries versus secrets thing. If people don't behave, emit a behavior or talk or something else ahead of time to be detected, it's going to be very hard to predict an exact attack and come up with an exact attack."

It is ironic that all of this occurred AFTER the US and UK assisted in the overthrow of Gaddafi. Reports today indicate that the "enlightened" rebels of the wonderful groundswell of democratic sentiment called the Arab Spring by our Masters are now under the sway of Al Qaeda that apparently assisted int he planning and execution of the consulate murders.
Obama lies! OMG what a shock that is!!
Obama lies! OMG what a shock that is!!

Fixed that for you. It scans better the way David BOC put it. (But neither one of us are surprised that he lied. It's what politicians of all stripes do, but more especially this chimp.)

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Just to clarify my reason for not letting this fade into election season obscurity is not merely to bash our current Masters (and I can assure you I would be just as hard on a similarly inept and apparently dishonest administration from the other party--- " progressivism lite.") but to do all I can to make sure the 4 murdered Americans, and especially the gallant former SEALS are not completely obscured by the politicians and that the apparently needless nature of their murders not go unrecompensed both among those who did it AND those of our own government are held accountable. In this connection He said this:


And if you are tempted to excuse Him as merely playing politician, this eliminates that as a sufficient excuse:

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Fixed that for you. It scans better the way David BOC put it. (But neither one of us are surprised that he lied. It's what politicians of all stripes do, but more especially this chimp.)

Thanks awfully, but I am quite happy with my version :). Incidentally, the geopolitical chaos and human cost of Obama's lies (and I take the word of other "experts" on the validity of that phrase) pale into insignificance against those of President Dick (Haliburton)Cheney and his sockpuppets Dubya and Bliar. As I said POLITICIANS lie.
****ing scumbags at the White House and State cant even get their perp story to jive

It was terrorism

Not it wasnt

yes, it was

It was the Video

No it wasnt

It was Spontaneous

Not it wasnt


My money is on Hillary coming out of this unscathed she has already started her escape and evasion. I don't pity the fool who ordered the other (two) security personnel out of the region as they deserve all they get.

All in all what a political clusterfuck!!

Brotherton Lad

Kit Reviewer


So glad we got rid of Ghadaffi and installed a decent, liberal, democratic political system instead. It makes all that expense worthwhile.
Is this of interest to the UK/ UK Army in particular - of course it is. If the Pres of the USA decides to get into another war - for whatever reasons - then we're in it too; we have absolutely no choice in this whatsoever. We are far too linked in to the US to avoid it. The last time we managed to avoid this contagion was Vietnam, and even then it was a near thing - and we are far far closer now than we were then.

So, just imagine - an incumbent President is looking weak in the polls - he's slipping behind, in fact. What better to give him the boost he needs for another four years of moneywasting than to give the Israelis the nod, and let them spank Iran - with active US support. That will involve the UK. We cannot avoid it. And we do not really need another middle-east conflct at the moment, as I see it.
Is this of interest to the UK/ UK Army in particular - of course it is. If the Pres of the USA decides to get into another war - for whatever reasons - then we're in it too; we have absolutely no choice in this whatsoever. We are far too linked in to the US to avoid it. The last time we managed to avoid this contagion was Vietnam, and even then it was a near thing - and we are far far closer now than we were then.

So, just imagine - an incumbent President is looking weak in the polls - he's slipping behind, in fact. What better to give him the boost he needs for another four years of moneywasting than to give the Israelis the nod, and let them spank Iran - with active US support. That will involve the UK. We cannot avoid it. And we do not really need another middle-east conflct at the moment, as I see it.

The current and recent state of affairs in Libya is exhibit A to your point. Note in the timeline that the UK was also targeted in the run up to the 9/11 murders. IMO, it could just as well been your ambassador murdered so I would not dismiss this as purely an American problem so quickly.
From the New Republic last year:

The explicit theme [of Obama's March 2011 speech on Libya] was the belief that the net effect of the Arab Spring is positive—that the operations of history are taking the Middle East toward better governance, greater respect for human rights, and, presumably, increased security and stability.

We must remember, though, that not all big ideas are good ones. Obama’s foreign policy worldview, like all others, is no stronger than its assumptions: that the Arab Spring will prove positive for both the Arab world and the United States, and that the international community will play a major role in nurturing it. If these assumptions hold, then Obama’s scaled-back approach to American leadership will enable the world to become a better and safer place. If not, dark days lay ahead.

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