More pressure as troops resign.

#2
This means that our manning level has gone down, so expect cuts to bring us closer to 100% again.
 
#3
Treat the troops like sh1t and then show concern when they vote with their feet.

What a surprise.
 
#6
762baynet said:
This means that our manning level has gone down, so expect cuts to bring us closer to 100% again.
Nooo, not cuts, but amalgamations/rationalisation of resources/staffing reviews. Some people may be expected to take on 'extra responsibilities', but there will be no cuts and no understaffing....
 
#7
VarSity said:
I wonder how many would have stayed if they had good homes to live in and were paid that little bit more.
Many soldiers can get by comfortably on what they earn, but because of let downs in other areas, such as family's welfare and housing, they choose to leave. If a soldier can earn more in civvy street (which is often the case these days) and simultaneously improve his quality of life and status as a human being, what possible arguments could be raised against him wanting to leave?
 
#8
skintboymike said:
VarSity said:
I wonder how many would have stayed if they had good homes to live in and were paid that little bit more.
Many soldiers can get by comfortably on what they earn, but because of let downs in other areas, such as family's welfare and housing, they choose to leave. If a soldier can earn more in civvy street (which is often the case these days) and simultaneously improve his quality of life and status as a human being, what possible arguments could be raised against him wanting to leave?
...what they said....

Litotes
 
#9
If you were to take into account all those poor souls that are injured and on long term sick and rehabilitaion due to over stretch and prolonged time spent on Ops and or training for Ops then you may have a different picture altogether
 
#11
young recruits, up to 35 per cent of whom are now dropping out before qualifying
Seems a high percentage, even allowing for those who are unsuited to the life. Be interesting to know at what stage they are dropping out. :?
 
#12
I really am tired of the spin coming out of MoD. Defence should be immune to it (Hah! I'm living in a dream world.) if only out of respect for those fighting and dying in the service of their country.

So 1,000 people left. That's ok says MoD, 1,800 people have joined as recruits.

Only problem is that the "failure" (sorry, I meant "deffered success") rate of new recruits is something about 35%. So that leaves 1170 new soldiers to replace 1,000 fit (because you are not normally allowed to leave the Army with outstanding medical issues), experienced (because after 4 years service even the most junior soldier will have at least 1 op tour) solider. So that's ok then: 1170 new boys are easily a match for the 1,000 experienced soldiers who have just quit, especially the Cpls, Sgts, Capts and Majors. Of course.

Now please don't mention the several thousand soldiers who are unfit for operations because they are injured and recovering from some (normally service related) injury. Please don't, because then it makes the figures look really fűcking bad, and you go from a 3% disparity in requirements vs reality to nearer 10-12%.
 
#14
Dread said:
I really am tired of the spin coming out of MoD. Defence should be immune to it (Hah! I'm living in a dream world.) if only out of respect for those fighting and dying in the service of their country.

So 1,000 people left. That's ok says MoD, 1,800 people have joined as recruits.

Only problem is that the "failure" (sorry, I meant "deffered success") rate of new recruits is something about 35%. So that leaves 1170 new soldiers to replace 1,000 fit (because you are not normally allowed to leave the Army with outstanding medical issues), experienced (because after 4 years service even the most junior soldier will have at least 1 op tour) solider. So that's ok then: 1170 new boys are easily a match for the 1,000 experienced soldiers who have just quit, especially the Cpls, Sgts, Capts and Majors. Of course. Now please don't mention the several thousand soldiers who are unfit for operations because they are injured and recovering from some (normally service related) injury. Please don't, because then it makes the figures look really fűcking bad, and you go from a 3% disparity in requirements vs reality to nearer 10-12%.
HMG and MOD make me soooo maaaaad!! AAGGGHGHHH!! :twisted: :( :twisted: :x :( :twisted: AAAAAGGGHHHHH!!
 
#15
I look at the situation through ex REME eyes and dont recon that the average squaddy thinks of reasons to leave, Ie more pay, comfort, stability in civvy street.
What the guys are thinking is "Why Stay"

No Apreciation or Respect
No Tradition because of amalgamations
No Motivation through second rate equipment
No Promotion because always in theatre and courses unavailable
But the one that hurts is an Government and MOD that is corrupt, incompetent and untruthfull
 
#16
Another problem is the amount of potential recruits we turn away. Probably three out of every five inquiries I've dealt with over the last year I've had to tell to come back in six months time or when their probation/ community care order/ ASBO etc has expired. These are 15 - 17 year olds for whom the Army would be the ideal way out of their spiraling descent into terminal chavdom.

Isn't it time we went back to the days when signing on with the colours was an option for these lads?
 
#17
BobJamesCo said:
I look at the situation through ex REME eyes and dont recon that the average squaddy thinks of reasons to leave, Ie more pay, comfort, stability in civvy street.
What the guys are thinking is "Why Stay"

No Apreciation or Respect
No Tradition because of amalgamations
No Motivation through second rate equipment
No Promotion because always in theatre and courses unavailable
But the one that hurts is an Government and MOD that is corrupt, incompetent and untruthfull
No spellchecker...
 
#19
slick said:
young recruits, up to 35 per cent of whom are now dropping out before qualifying
Seems a high percentage, even allowing for those who are unsuited to the life. Be interesting to know at what stage they are dropping out. :?
There has always been a high drop out rate, My Troop started out with 54 in 1989, 32 passed off and one of them was a re-enlist.
 
#20
Dread said:
1170 new boys are easily a match for the 1,000 experienced soldiers who have just quit, .
The thing is, there are some people who actually believe that.

And those that don't, but who work in Glasgow and spout off about improving retention from their ivory towers, but whose efforts are only ever directed at increasing recruiting are among the worst offenders. At the risk of cliche overload, they toe the party line in order to climb the greasy pole, without demonstrating the kind of integrity that can get you a poor OJAR.

Now, wine has been taken, so please excuse me for ranting, but...

I don't think we've even begun to feel the effects of this type of attitude on the operational effectiveness of the field army. The priority of those that deal with manning, and the politicos that they serve, is in raw numbers. They care not a jot for the experience of the troops that leave. There will come a crunch point when the Army, undermanned (and also made up largely of inexperienced soldiers due to the concentration on recruiting instead of retention), and overstretched, will have insufficient of the kind of men / women with operational experience who actually lead the troops properly and are capable of getting things done. And we will lose. There will be a lot of casualties. And the politicos will use their spin machines to point the finger of blame at us.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking of leaving - I can earn considerably more money with the skills I have, in a job with a 30 minute commute and no risk of being shot at, and which doesn't ask me to regularly leave a young family for six months at a time. My career specialisation is drastically undermanned. What have the CoC done to retain me and my colleagues? Foxtrot Alpha. Now they (MCM) are beginning to bleat about the manning crisis, but those climbers of the greasy pole, (which MCM attracts) who made the bad decisions and who did not have sufficient integrity to endanger their own OJARs in order to tell superiors the hard truths have long since moved on.

Now, the politicos are sh1ts, there's no question about it. But I can't find it in myself to blame them for the state we're in. That's the kind of animal they are - bottom feeders - you can't expect anything better. In order to improve retention, we (the Army), need to address the problem ourselves. What we need to do is stop following "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome" and just tell people to Foxtrot Oscar when they ask us to achieve the impossible without thinking about the consequences.

Breathe Rats.... c'mon, just breathe...
 

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