More NRA idiocy

#1
A certain number of e-mails have just "fallen" into my possession, which should prove interesting.

An acquaintance of mine sent a legal question to Mike Wayland, the NRA's police liaison officer. Okay, that was his 1st mistake.

Anyway, the question was essentially "can I transit Heathrow with a section 5 firearm". The correct answer is: YES (some Americans did it last year on the way to and from Norway for an ipsc rifle match). However, the answer from Mike Wayland was as follows:

As with all full-bore semi-automatic rifles, AR15s are classed as a Section 5 weapon - prohibited (that is all but impossible for a private citizen to possess)

However there are some companies who manufacture UK-legal AR15 variants in a manual straight-pull single-shot configuration that are able to be held on a UK Firearms Certificate.

In addition magazine capacities in the UK are restricted to a maximum of 5 rounds, for centrefire rifles.

Provided that your AR 15 fits the variant category above then it can be legally held on a Firearms Certificate in the UK and should not be a problem if you have to change flights - just make sure that you are always in possession of your import/export licence.

Regards

Mike


Mike Wayland
Firearms Liaison Officer, NRA
tel: 07528 037 221
Every Tuesday and alternate Wednesdays only
what's wrong with this picture? Not only does he get the answer to the question wrong by merely repeating what section 5 is, he also claims that centrefire rifles have limited magazines in the UK!

Now, enlighten me , why are they paying that man?
 
#3
EX_STAB said:
Where the fcuk has he got that from?
20 years serving in the police? It is both bizarre and alarming, especially given his paid position...
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#4
Stoatman thanks for putting this up, E_S you are a BASC member arent you? Can you talk to Stoatman via PM and get this raised please? I will raise it with the NGO as an example!
 
#5
This man is an idiot!

Even I know that the max magazine capacity is 3 rounds! :p
 
#6
ugly said:
Stoatman thanks for putting this up, E_S you are a BASC member arent you? Can you talk to Stoatman via PM and get this raised please? I will raise it with the NGO as an example!
BASC? DO you mean NRA? I'm a member of both. If Stoatman wishes to contact me I'll discuss it, not sure what to do about it other than contact the guy. Roger Speak used to have that job, not sure why he went.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#7
I think getting in touch with BASC to ensure that such "Barrington Barnes esque" drivel isnt repeated to the point that it gets believed and also the NRA through Council to point out how wrong their employees are!
 
#8
e_s: you have p.m.
 
#10
That is absolutely shocking. Even Chubb could have given the man a better and more relevant answer using her usual cut and paste tactics.

What is up with the NRA?
 
#11
This moron used to be an FEO with Surrey. (That explains a lot.)

Apparently he was 'asked' if he would take the job temporarily during Roger Speak's absence. I have some personal friends on Council and so I shall 'ask' them to 'ask' who the hell 'asked' this idiot to take the job.

I am getting thoroughly sick and tired of jobs going to the old boy net based on who you know rather than what you know. I know that the jobs are badly paid (pay peanuts get monkeys) but I am sure that if they were properly advertised many (better) people would apply.
 
#12
Has the man never looked out of the window to look at the various CSR and PR matches underway? Not to mention all the LERA competitions!

BASC all the way for me. I hear nothing but good about their firearms department.
 
#13
stoatman said:
EX_STAB said:
Where the fcuk has he got that from?
20 years serving in the police? It is both bizarre and alarming, especially given his paid position...
You jest, but Glynn Alger - the NRA's Secretary General is an ex-copper, and thoroughly knowledgeable.
How the fcuk anyone working for the NRA - as their legal liaison type no less - has got their arse turned backwards that badly beggars belief.

I usually stand up for the NRA. They get a lot of flack by old codgers for something they did/didn't/should/shouldn't have done 30/40/50 years ago, which ignores the fact they are now a totally different organisation and quite proactive. Paying off debt at a rate of knots and looking to support regional ranges etc, etc (Glynn Alger, and some of the newer chaps - actual sports managers, not well meaning shooters - are really looking to the future. It's good :) ).
And no, they're not perfect (before people start going "what about this, and that"), but show me a sports group that are. They're better than they were. BSSF are about to go bust, at least the NRA are managing their finances vaguely competently!

That bit of "advice" however is awful. Get a copy forwarded to Glynn and see what he makes of it.
UK firearms law is a fluid and thorny issue as we all know, which the Police can adapt to suit themselves (arbitrary FAC conditions for instance), which is why even they don't understand it properly. If this is supposed to be your specialist field however, then that's quite a gaff to make.
Don't just whinge about it on here (which will do no good whatsoever), pick up the phone, call Glynn and ask him who he's employing and why.
 
#14
Hemmers said:
stoatman said:
EX_STAB said:
Where the fcuk has he got that from?
20 years serving in the police? It is both bizarre and alarming, especially given his paid position...
You jest, but Glynn Alger - the NRA's Secretary General is an ex-copper, and thoroughly knowledgeable.
How the fcuk anyone working for the NRA - as their legal liaison type no less - has got their arse turned backwards that badly beggars belief.

I usually stand up for the NRA. They get a lot of flack by old codgers for something they did/didn't/should/shouldn't have done 30/40/50 years ago, which ignores the fact they are now a totally different organisation and quite proactive. Paying off debt at a rate of knots and looking to support regional ranges etc, etc (Glynn Alger, and some of the newer chaps - actual sports managers, not well meaning shooters - are really looking to the future. It's good :) ).
And no, they're not perfect (before people start going "what about this, and that"), but show me a sports group that are. They're better than they were. BSSF are about to go bust, at least the NRA are managing their finances vaguely competently!

That bit of "advice" however is awful. Get a copy forwarded to Glynn and see what he makes of it.
UK firearms law is a fluid and thorny issue as we all know, which the Police can adapt to suit themselves (arbitrary FAC conditions for instance), which is why even they don't understand it properly. If this is supposed to be your specialist field however, then that's quite a gaff to make.
Don't just whinge about it on here (which will do no good whatsoever), pick up the phone, call Glynn and ask him who he's employing and why.
Glynn Alger is the root of the problem.
 
#16
I shall give him a ring later when he's in his office. I started to draft an e-mail, but I can't word it in a way that doesn't sound exceptionally harsh!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#17
stoatman said:
I shall give him a ring later when he's in his office. I started to draft an e-mail, but I can't word it in a way that doesn't sound exceptionally harsh![/quote]
I have complete weeks of that at work, I find face to face means you can explain easier than a misread/misinterpreted e mail ever can!
 
#18
After failing to get through to Glyn Alger by telephone, enough time had passed for me to write a non-livid e-mail.

I have a preliminary reply, namely that he will look into it.

I'll keep you posted.
 
#19
ugly said:
stoatman said:
I shall give him a ring later when he's in his office. I started to draft an e-mail, but I can't word it in a way that doesn't sound exceptionally harsh![/quote]
I have complete weeks of that at work, I find face to face means you can explain easier than a misread/misinterpreted e mail ever can!
Perhaps not necessary in this context but unlike phone calls, e-mails give a paper trail that can be used to hang the bar stewards at a later date...

If you do have a telecon then back up the content with an e mail of the conversation. It has stood me in good stead in my dealings with unscrupulous civvy types.

GW
 
#20
Or just record any phone conversations. Most phones - both landline and mobile - have a loudspeaker/handsfree mode, and many MP3 players (and mobiles) have a dictaphone/recording mode. Quality may not be as good as an inline recorder specifically for recording telecons, but it should be acceptable quality
Backing up content with confirmatory e-mails is never a bad thing though. If the system allows, always request return receipts and keep those notifications. Shows they've at least opened the message.

EX_STAB said:
Glynn Alger is the root of the problem.
Would you care to expand or quantify that?
Unjustified or unexplained grousing does no good whatsoever.

In recent history (whilst Glynn Alger has been at the reins), the NRA has paid off debt at a rate of knots. Their finances are bouyant and well managed. They've extended loans to clubs that were about to have their range sold from under them, and are actively pursuing the purchase of disused ranges from the MoD, renovating, recertifying and reopening them. They've run offers like giving school leavers 3 years free membership - in an attempt to keep them involved with the sport and stop them drifting away. It costs them very little but can garner a life time of membership subs in return. I'm not attributing all that good work solely to him, but from what I can tell he's hardly running it into the ground either.
Glynn Alger himself (rightly) said a return to the NRA being the "Bisley Rifle Club" would be disastrous. Not sure what he's done that's so awful, although I'm always willing to be educated.
I'm not saying he's without fault, but I'm not aware of any major faults and would like know of pertinent information!

On it's own your statement is borderline libelous given it's defamatory nature.
 

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