More law and order stories

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  1. Liabour pledge card: Your communities safer. :roll:,,2-2352317,00.html

    There isn't really more that one can add to the debate on how communities are policed (and I wholeheartedly endorse the comment on the Remembrance Day thread about how frontline police are also in despair). Well, perhaps I could express the sentiments that I hope the swearing woman bucks the system, that the hapless Sgt receives a barrage of hostile emails, and that the perpetrators of the atrocity in Yeovil do not end up spending 6 months playing computer games at the taxpayers' expense.

    Could the Tories have the answer? The idea below is of great interest. If local authorities had a proper law and order remit, with control over policing priorities (and the appointment of the chief constable), then the equations would be simple:

    Happy communities = elected councillors = police chief secure in job.


    Unhappy communities = councillors kicked out = police chief kicked out.

  2. Another ridiculous story.

    A police officer told me to f##k off once, should he be arrested under a public order offence. All I was doing was seeing if a friend who had been assualted for no reason was ok.

    I have the deepest sympathy for this woman.

    The legal system is rapidly becoming a joke.
  3. you have to love the way our country is going! our Gov't empower the scum of the earth and give them rights, afterall it's easier to deal with those who live within the rules and step over the line when pushed! Than those who live over it.
  4. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    So she got a fixed penalty fine from the police, but can't you refuse that and insist on your day in court?

  5. Welcome to the socialist utopia created by New Labour!
  6. The police forces of this country should hang their heads in shame. Not a day goes by without some report of a heavy handed prosecution of a non-offence bringing whatever good work they do into disrepute. I agree with MrPVRd's theory of local control, but cannot see Westminster giving up power to anyone. Something will change soon, however - I don't believe this country will take persecution of this kind for much longer.
  7. Admag is spot on. If you are a man with responsibilities, i.e. a family, a mortgage, tax payer, you are easy to keep in line because they can take something from you - your way of life. You are easy to control. If you have nothing, are on the dole and stick your two fingers up at society you have nothing to lose but everything to gain from the system. You are therefore difficult to control. Govt, via law takes the easy option.
  8. In actual fact it's not wholly the police's fault. The crime & penalties are set out for the courts to adhere to!
    The difference is the way the rules have changed for the officers. The have Gov't set targets to reach, are bound by more legislation than they used to! which means more things are taken further than in days gone past! a copper would of said "oi you lot clear off home" and not one would of been seen when the dust cloud cleared. No more would of been heard about it.

    Now today the kids know they can't really be touched, and taunt the cops. and if you get a PCSO, they take the pi55 out of em!
  9. The Tories (and other parties interested in this approach) should go further.

    Local law and order should encompass prosecution.

    So, if victimised citizens are being prosecuted instead of anti-social yobs, the locally appointed (or elected) prosecutor would feel the pain at election time. Likewise, if freed offenders were re-offending.

    The trend nationally is the opposite - Reid plans to merge forces and centralise even more control. This will all end in tears if nothing changes - riots, vigilantes etc.
  10. I was once on duty with the ChSupt and was accompanying him on a walk around a certain football ground during a C grade match.

    As we walked a member of the public came up and the address, to the ChSupt went like this:

    "Oi mate! You with the gold muck on your peak. You in charge here?"

    " Yes, I am."

    "Good, because that copper over there told me to fvck off."

    "Did he?"


    "Well what are you doing standing here wasting my time then?"

    Blank look and off the scrote went. No argument, nothing.

    That was well before PACE came along and we became an apologetic and litigenous society.
    Police personnel were mainly ex-services with a strong bond of comradeship and discipline. They knew how to meat it out too.

    Now their hands have been tied behind their backs with too many pathetic forms and money saving ideas.
    What with fast tracking of degree holding 'officer' class who *might* take a body during their Streets Duty Course what is the morale really like for those led by pseudo-politicians and who need no real policing skills to get to Inspector and beyond?

    All the Coppers Coppers have had their day. That ended with Sir John Stevens.

    And now we have Pc So to help society!
  11. We are under the constant threat of pikey based crime where I live, with theft, criminal damage and offensive behaviour. Yesterday a mate of mine found himself alone with three pikey lads in our local. They asked him if "that was your car mate?" On the pretext that it was a nice car - which obviously Big Dan thinks it is - they asked for a look. They seemed ok, he let them take a look and then they asked him to sell the car. He having just bought it declined. They then a)lagged on the car b)threatened his mother, who somehow they knew the address and c)threatened him if he didn't sell the car.

    When they came back later with the money, a large group of locals (Dan's mobile must have been red-hot!) had gathered and the three pikeys were given the about-face. So what comes next? Bigger group of pikeys? Attack on his mum's place? Unwise - his dad keeps a well-stocked gun cabinet including .475" Nitro-Express. More fear of crime? More criminal damage to cars because that was what happened the last time they were invited not to come into the village and play silly buggers...

    PC and PCSO make occasional visits. He is sound (ex-HCR) but has no ability or indeed management support to deal with the thuggish pikeys. She, the PCSO, bless her heart does not strike me as the "facing down the angry mob of pikeys" type of gal, bless her. I fear that she has been introduced into the village because he is going to be withdrawn...

    At the policy level, the council don't care as long as the "travellers" stay out off the strangely enough marginal council wards and stick to the predominantly Tory rural areas. So if the law does get taken into people's own hands, which it will eventually by default, they will only have themselves to blame but us to punish.

    This is in South Gloucestershire BTW...
  12. Cuddles - I am surprised you get any response at all. In many parts of the country, if you suggested travellers were responsible for crime you would get a visit from the local force seeking to 're-educate' your racist views. Even where police have a pretty good idea that travellers may have something to do with crime, they often prefer not to investigate, fearing a public order incident if they visit a camp looking for stolen goods (or accusations of racism from the PC mob). So, as admag says, why go to that aggro when you can reach your Home Office targets by nicking someone for swearing/calling your horse gay/handing out bible extracts/wearing a 'Bollocks to Blair' T-shirt etc etc.

    It stinks. And as I've said before, whilst you can blame the politicians for some of it, the police are utterly complicit in the process.
  13. Where the injustice is: you get fined by the polis for a public order offence - say £50. You get your solicitor to take it to court and the ticket is thrown out and your name cleared.

    All very well except it'll cost you £500 to pay your solicitor.

    Who wins then?
  14. Well the solicitor obviously, but come on, think of all the training these people have to go through. Would you complain about paying that much to a surgeon or a doctor that did you a service that required an immense amount of skill and training? Besides, if you want justice you should be willing to pay for it.

    Who's with me? Anyone, anyone at all........ :roll:
  15. That sort of thing is only for the rich ;)