More Attacks on Gen. Dannat

#1
I am unfamiliar with this journo, although I noted he also writes for The Sun. It seems he is taking up the cudgel from Foulkes in attacking Gen Dannat.

It is interesting and incredibly ironic that the General's critics are focusing on his helo sorties while he also had a car at his disposal. I suppose this view helps to explain their apparent naivete' in failing to provide sufficient helo support to troops in Afghanistan. I assume it is because UK troops also had ground transport available and thus having helos is redundant? :evil:

Ex-British Army chief enjoyed thousands of pounds worth or perks


By Alexander Lawrie

THE retired head of the British Army enjoyed thousands of pounds worth of perks for his living quarters and transport funded by the British taxpayer in the year before he left office.

General Sir Francis Richard Dannatt, succeeded as Chief of Staff last month, cost the taxpayer £160,000 for accommodation and a chauffer-driven limo complete with £35,000 a year driver.

He also undertook 40 separate trips within the UK on military helicopters, at the very time when there were complaints a shortage of aircraft for the front-line troops in Afghanistan.

He undertook the journeys to attend various conferences, meetings and official ceremonies.

Details of the General’s costs to the public purse have been revealed in written answers to a series of parliamentary questions first tabled last month by the Labour Peer George Foulkes.

Sir Richard has been an outspoken critic of the Labour Government’s record on defence.

“Cowardly attack”

He was in turn lambasted by Lord Foulkes who claimed he was ‘threatening to undermine our efforts in Afghanistan and give succour to the enemy’ in a fiery war of words between the pair last month.

Foulkes was in turn subjected to a mauling in the media, and accused by the Conservative’s shadow defence minister Liam Fox of launching a “cowardly” attempt to smear the General.

The information was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act as a result of Foulkes’ questions.

The ultra-loyal Labour Peer could not be contacted for comment about the results yesterday.

However the detailed answers are now public and sure to re-ignite the row with some already claiming that Sir Richard had “fallen short” of his standards.

The Labour peer tabled three written questions to the Ministry of Defence relating to Sir Richard’s expenses, including queries concerning his accommodation expenses and his use of expensive helicopter trips.

In her reply Baroness Taylor, the Minister for International Defence and Security, said: “Accomodation for the Chief of the General Staff in 2008-2009 was lease at a cost of £108,408 with £10,485 being expended for the associated contracted cleaning services.

“For the last known period, a dedicated staff car was leased, under the provisions of the UK White Fleet Contract, for the Chief of the General Staff at a cost of £4,993 per annum. With this vehicle was assigned a dedicated qualified driver at an indicative annual salary of £34,662 in 2008-2009.”

40 official trips in military helicopters

Sir Richard also took 40 separate trips in military helicopters over a combination of 20 journeys during his time in office last year.

Baroness Taylor replied: “All these journeys were for official purposes with seven being visits to units, four to attend/speak at conferences, four to attend meetings, three to attend official ceremonies, one a combination of conference and unit visit and the remaining one a combination of meeting and official representation.

“Additionally, on 5 and 6 June 2009, the Chief of the General Staff used a helicopter for the return journey to and from Normandy to attend the D-Day commemorations.”

A spokesman for the TaxPayers’ Alliance said it was disappointing to see a breakdown of the figures.

They added: “General Dannatt has been really good at keeping his expenses and costs down on most things, so it’s sad to see him fall short of that standard.

“There is no way anyone should fly round in a helicopter when they already have a personal chauffeur.”

In defence of Sir Richard Dannatt, Shadow Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox said: “There is no target that Brown’s bullyboys will not pick upon to protect themselves or divert attention from their catastrophic management of the military.

“New Labour is now the most corrosive and corrupting influence in British politics.”

And a spokesperson for the Ministry of Defence said: “The CGS is required to travel across the UK and internationally to fulfil his role as the professional head of the Army.

“Occasionally this requires the use of helicopter transport or an official car, but this is solely for travelling to engagements with an impact on Defence and Army business.”

Legitimate questions

Lord Foulkes, who claimed his questions were legitimate, said previously: “It is perfectly proper for members of parliament to table questions asking for information about the use of public money and resources.

“If the information is embarrassing, it will embarrass him. If it’s not, it won’t.”

General Sir Richard Dannett was succeeded as Chief of the General Staff by General Sir David Richards on August 28, 2009.

Dannatt now holds the ceremonial position of Constable of the Tower of London.
 
#2
What these people seem to forget is that the helicopters were NOT chinooks/Merlins and therefore were not required for frontaline flying. Also, the pilots were more than likely under instruction and, therefore, it is surely more productive to use instructional flying time on a rela-time task than merely flying in a square around the local airfield.

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#3
another non-story
Liebour will stop at nothing to deflect the press away from their love-in/regicide on sea at Brighton.

Hopefully McGuiness and Adams are there on a CTR, and we can all look forward to The Grand going up like it did all those years ago.
 
#5
However the detailed answers are now public and sure to re-ignite the row with some already claiming that Sir Richard had “fallen short” of his standards.
The only people who are likely to be thinking that are the kind of spastic who write for or read the Sun or vote Labour.
 
#6
Gen Dannatt is an ex AAC Pilot, and some of these flights were likely to have been piloted by himself to keep hours in..... In any case each airframe has an allocation of hours per month that have to be flown. What is wrong with a General using military resources wisely.
 

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#7
BiscuitsAB said:
I propose the outrage bus is made fit for purpose and we drive round their office for a nice cosy chat about who the Army would actually believe in this matter.
You'll have a hell of a job parking the bus outside the Deadline Press & Picture Agency in Bonnington Bond, Edinburgh where Alexander Lawrie works (and interestingly is listed as a Ms - something we should be told is there?)

Theres your clue. Agency hack stares into space thinking up a way to scribble out a few bob. Bingo! Have a pop at Dannat. Tomorrows chip wrapper.
 
#9
It would be interesting to compare Gen Dannat's ostensible expenses with the expenses incurred by his predecessors, and see how it all stacks up. I bet a pound to a pinch of shite that they're roughly comparable and not exaggerated at all.

MsG
 
#10
THE retired head of the British Army enjoyed thousands of pounds worth of perks for his living quarters and transport funded by the British taxpayer.
If they're going to talk about transport being funded by the taxpayer .. All military transport is funded by the taxpayer, from the Landrover that's running around the Plain, to the Chinooks that take troops to theatre. Next!

General Sir Francis Richard Dannatt, succeeded as Chief of Staff last month, cost the taxpayer £160,000 for accommodation and a chauffer-driven limo complete with £35,000 a year driver.
Considering that a SLAM room costs (over a five year period) £72,000 per (yes, per room), this includes upkeep, cleaning etc. I'm fairly sure that even the 'lowliest' Private costs the darling taxpayer tens of thousands per year. And, I'm fairly sure (but not certain) that staff officers have military drivers?

He also undertook 40 separate trips within the UK on military helicopters, at the very time when there were complaints a shortage of aircraft for the front-line troops in Afghanistan.

He undertook the journeys to attend various conferences, meetings and official ceremonies.
Would they prefer he hired civilian aircraft, at a vastly increased cost?

He was in turn lambasted by Lord Foulkes who claimed he was ‘threatening to undermine our efforts in Afghanistan and give succour to the enemy’ in a fiery war of words between the pair last month.
No, I think that's Labour's role in the whole matter.

In her reply Baroness Taylor, the Minister for International Defence and Security, said: “Accomodation for the Chief of the General Staff in 2008-2009 was lease at a cost of £108,408 with £10,485 being expended for the associated contracted cleaning services.
See my point above.

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FFS, Labour surely must realise that this transparent attempt to drag Gen Dannatt through the mud is actually harming them (if it's possible to soil their name any more). There's nothing in this 'story'.
 
#11
To be maligned inaccurately and unworthily by a previously unheard of hack from 'The Sun' would probably not worry my fourteen year old godson, far less a gallant and distinguished soldier.

There are no depths that this government will not plummet to in its death throes!

Anybody discovered how many aeroplanes are used by the pathetic collection of non-entities pretending to be ministers, when trains or cars were available? No - I thought not.
 
#12
Tango said:
[ There's nothing in this 'story'.
Excellent points and your final one answers the question why it is continuing to be in the media. Nothing to do with news---everything to do with politics.
 
#13
jumpinjarhead said:
Tango said:
[ There's nothing in this 'story'.
Excellent points and your final one answers the question why it is continuing to be in the media. Nothing to do with news---everything to do with politics.
Yes. The 'story' is what a despicable shower this Government is. Their whole approach has been decide that anyone who disagrees with them is a legitimate target that can be disposed of by any means. I'll warrant that any book written by General Dannatt is better received than those 'written' by the mendacious shietes we have had in Government over the past few years.

I really do hope, probably in vain, that academia will examine and publish in detail the methods that this Government has used over the past few years when maligning those outside the political 'profession'.
 
#14
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery". Oyibo

Thank you 'Oyibo' for letting me steal your excellent 'signature'. May I add to it:

"......... the equal sharing of misery, except for the ruling elite".
 

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#15
Oyibo said:
Yes. The 'story' is what a despicable shower this Government is. Their whole approach has been decide that anyone who disagrees with them is a legitimate target that can be disposed of by any means. I'll warrant that any book written by General Dannatt is better received than those 'written' by the mendacious shietes we have had in Government over the past few years.

I really do hope, probably in vain, that academia will examine and publish in detail the methods that this Government has used over the past few years when maligning those outside the political 'profession'.
Er, Hello. Planet Janet calling.

Deadline Press & Picture Agency, who employ Alexander Lawrie, is paid for, or takes the view of the British Government how?

In your own time.
 
#16
TheIronDuke said:
Oyibo said:
Yes. The 'story' is what a despicable shower this Government is. Their whole approach has been decide that anyone who disagrees with them is a legitimate target that can be disposed of by any means. I'll warrant that any book written by General Dannatt is better received than those 'written' by the mendacious shietes we have had in Government over the past few years.

I really do hope, probably in vain, that academia will examine and publish in detail the methods that this Government has used over the past few years when maligning those outside the political 'profession'.
Er, Hello. Planet Janet calling.

Deadline Press & Picture Agency, who employ Alexander Lawrie, is paid for, or takes the view of the British Government how?

In your own time.
The 'story', and I use inverted commas for good reason, is exactly what I said it is and why people reply to this thread.

Read my post again, and JJH's before it, and apply the inverted commas.

Keep up Iron Duke. :roll:
 
#17
lsquared said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery". Oyibo

Thank you 'Oyibo' for letting me steal your excellent 'signature'. May I add to it:

"......... the equal sharing of misery, except for the ruling elite".
How true :cry:

That's why I live and work in honest countries in Africa now :?
 

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#18
Oyibo said:
The 'story', and I use inverted commas for good reason, is exactly what I said it is and why people reply to this thread.

Read my post again, and JJH's before it, and apply the inverted commas.

Keep up Iron Duke. :roll:
One does ones best.

But this 'story' is about a hack jobbing Journo in Edinburgh trying to earn a crust. And he/she/pre-op confused trans gender/whatever has picked on Dannat.

The Government played no part in this.

Its a crap 'story' from a crap hack. No more. No less.
 
#19
TheIronDuke said:
Oyibo said:
The 'story', and I use inverted commas for good reason, is exactly what I said it is and why people reply to this thread.

Read my post again, and JJH's before it, and apply the inverted commas.

Keep up Iron Duke. :roll:
One does ones best.

But this 'story' is about a hack jobbing Journo in Edinburgh trying to earn a crust. And he/she/pre-op confused trans gender/whatever has picked on Dannat.

The Government played no part in this.

Its a crap 'story' from a crap hack. No more. No less.
Then to elucidate: The story is crap. The 'story' is that:

1. The Government through Lord Foulkes has consistently appeared to be attempting to smear a general;

2. That they do so by comparing MP's expenses with Generals' expenses along with Generals' non-expense costs;

3. That it is an out-and-out smear campaign by the Government;

4. This Governments actions should be examined closely - since they blurred the distinction between ligislative and judiciary by putting political appointees into the judiciary, I can only think of academia as suitable candidates.

Hope that helps :)
 
#20
Oyibo said:
TheIronDuke said:
Oyibo said:
The 'story', and I use inverted commas for good reason, is exactly what I said it is and why people reply to this thread.

Read my post again, and JJH's before it, and apply the inverted commas.

Keep up Iron Duke. :roll:
One does ones best.

But this 'story' is about a hack jobbing Journo in Edinburgh trying to earn a crust. And he/she/pre-op confused trans gender/whatever has picked on Dannat.

The Government played no part in this.

Its a crap 'story' from a crap hack. No more. No less.
Then to elucidate: The story is crap. The 'story' is that:

1. The Government through Lord Foulkes has consistently appeared to be attempting to smear a general;

2. That they do so by comparing MP's expenses with Generals' expenses along with Generals' non-expense costs;

3. That it is an out-and-out smear campaign by the Government;

4. This Governments actions should be examined closely - since they blurred the distinction between ligislative and judiciary by putting political appointees into the judiciary, I can only think of academia as suitable candidates.

Hope that helps :)
While I would like to agree with Iron Duke that this is merely salacious muckraking, I am not as sanguine that there is no governmental involvement. I realize I am not a citizen of the UK so I try to be deferential in matters of UK-specific politics, but this article smacks of some degree of governmental involvement, even if "only" by way of encouragement. Such tactics are sadly a routine aspect of politics, whether in the UK or the US.

I would also argue that if the UK government is truly like Caesar's wife in this matter then it would issue a timely and forceful statement of support and confidence in the good general who had a remarkable and distinguished career of honorable service to his Queen and Country. Unless the general broke the law, and I assume he did not or else the likes of "Lord" Foulkes would have already pressed for prosecution, the government that he served owes it to him to come to his defense if indeed this article was purely the work of the media. The fact that this article appeared some 3 weeks ago and to my knowledge the UK government has been conspicuously silent speaks volumes about its apparent complicity. It is, in my humble septic opinion, despicable for the civilian government to let the general twist in the wind of innuendo, leaving it to the general to defend himself, something that under these circumstances a man of Dannat's character would not be likely to do as it would dignify the calumny.
 

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