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#1
Did anyone catch this programme last night? It just shows how far this country has gone down the pan! and the actual intent of a minority of the Muslim community we have in this country.

Not only were they provocotive, they spread racist hate about the jews and hold trophy pictures of Bin Laden as their screensavers on their phones, worshiping his work. They parade the streets in the hunrdreds after fasting, using nothing short of Anti-Social Behaviour, yet our police force watches on in fear of being called racist if they was to intervene. Let me tell you, if a large number of white or black youths congregated in such numbers using such behaviour, it would be said to be nothing short of a riot. They also now belittle the black man in a country inwhich he has lived for much longer.

I find it hard to believe how this country has come to this and in the end I see us the original British people being sold out. How long can this provocation go on without a fully fledged race riot throughout the country. If a minority/majority (that I do not know) had it their way they would turn this country into an islamic state and the ways things our going this government will let it happen.

This programme really brought it home to me how intense the islamist are getting, extremists or not there is only a thin line inbetween the good and the bad muslims and the way there communitys think. Its the third generations coming through now that are by far the most provocotive in decades.

A quote from a muslim from the show. " Look at what the asian community has done in Britain already!" "We have made our stamp" ' Can you imagine in 20 years" " Theres loads of us coming over, fake passports etc" " This won't be England it will be Pakistan" All this said in a provocotive tone.

This is not what our forefathers fought for....They will be turning in their graves. Britain should be a peaceful country yet immigrants are hideing behind our laws and antagonising reactions.

There is a huge number of hardworking and placid Muslims, that I do not dispute they are law abiding citizens. But there is a generation coming through that has other ideas.
 
#2
Bit of an over-reaction I'd of said. Theres chavscum already and they'll talk as tough as this lot, but at the end of the day its just ineffective jaw flapping.

How is it any different from the twanky "Anarchy in the UK" fools expecting to change the country, change the world. Idiots who will eventually grow out of it or realise that it ain't gonna happen and bugger off or settle for the quiet life.

Utterly deceptive twaddlespeak, says I.
 

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#3
Scoteh said:
Bit of an over-reaction I'd of said. Theres chavscum already and they'll talk as tough as this lot, but at the end of the day its just ineffective jaw flapping.

How is it any different from the twanky "Anarchy in the UK" fools expecting to change the country, change the world. Idiots who will eventually grow out of it or realise that it ain't gonna happen and bugger off or settle for the quiet life.

Utterly deceptive twaddlespeak, says I.
You could well be right, but just as an aside; how many chavs have blown up tube trains? How many of the unwashed Anarchy groupies have planted bombs on omnibuses?
How many 'honour' killings of raped and abused young women have they carried out in the name of their creed and religion.
I'm not trying to be provocative, but just offering a thought or two.
 
#4
We should do as the Swiss are doing. They're having a referendum oin whether or not to allow minarets to be built at the mosques. Apparently the "Nein" vote in the polls is streets ahead.
 
#5
Scoteh said:
Bit of an over-reaction I'd of said. Theres chavscum already and they'll talk as tough as this lot, but at the end of the day its just ineffective jaw flapping.

How is it any different from the twanky "Anarchy in the UK" fools expecting to change the country, change the world. Idiots who will eventually grow out of it or realise that it ain't gonna happen and bugger off or settle for the quiet life.

Utterly deceptive twaddlespeak, says I.
Whilst it's true that it's not far removed from the usual teenage/youth rebellions that happen all the time and added to the fact that it's young people 'celebrating' their heritage, you would hope that there wouldn't be a great deal to worry about, however, the 'Anarchy in the UK' brigade you mentionnever had the privalige of declaring a Fatwa and twisting the teachings of the Koran to achieve their aims if necessary.
I don't think the rebellion of the youth is the issue but the fact that it is not that much of a stretch to go from rebellious youth to fanatical extremist IMO.
 
#6
Not belittling in any way the 7/7 attacks and would hate this to be taken as such, however, compare with that the number of stabbing victims nationwide every year and suddenly the numbers are somewhat put into perspective. Just because they dont make a concerted effort to organise 1 massive attack, doesnt mean theyre not doing worse damage to peoples lives, and the country in general.

And on the point of the honour killings, they are certainly much more extreme, but I'm a Glasgow lad myself, and there are no shortage of foul instances fuelled by religion up here.......

Just because a minority does something doesn't mean that in the majority our farts don't stink.
 
#7
Scoteh said:
Not belittling in any way the 7/7 attacks and would hate this to be taken as such, however, compare with that the number of stabbing victims nationwide every year and suddenly the numbers are somewhat put into perspective. Just because they dont make a concerted effort to organise 1 massive attack, doesnt mean theyre not doing worse damage to peoples lives, and the country in general.

And on the point of the honour killings, they are certainly much more extreme, but I'm a Glasgow lad myself, and there are no shortage of foul instances fuelled by religion up here.......

Just because a minority does something doesn't mean that in the majority our farts don't stink.
Sir, how can you compare an act of terrorism to youth stabbings that occur all over the World? Terrorism is a war crime. I totally disagree with you.
 
#9
Angry disillusioned youths who think that what they're doing is not just acceptable but is the right thing to do that claim more than 300 lives in Britain every year.....

Frankly when I walk down the street my concern is getting stabbed, not getting blown up, and I imagine its the same for the majority of people. I'm not comparing them, I know it sounds like it, I'm just saying that I don't think Islamic extremism should be the main worry for people of today. How can we say that a minority is violent and capable of senseless violence when our own culture has turned that way. Saying that there's a new generation coming through that is more provocative and more violent than previous ones is as true of white people as it is of asians. This is all that I'm saying. Just because they're doing it doesn't mean it's "just because theyre muslims" its as much to do with the degredation of our society in general, regardless of religion.
 
#10
FourEM said:
Like it or not the results are the same be it terrorist or domestic

Dead bodies ;thats where the comparison comes from
I still fail to see how a stabbing can be as much of a crime as a terrorist act. O.k murder is murder but...... Terrorism has a distinctively more threatening means to it. 9/11 and 7/7 are without doubt the biggest crimes that have occured in Western Society for decades. A planned attack thats intention is to kill and kill on a huge scale. I fail to believe that the majority of stabbings are planned. You say 300 people lose their lives to stabbings. I have a distinct feeling that 1 single terrorist act could double if not x that by 10, if on a large enough scale.
 
#11
007m88 said:
Scoteh said:
Not belittling in any way the 7/7 attacks and would hate this to be taken as such, however, compare with that the number of stabbing victims nationwide every year and suddenly the numbers are somewhat put into perspective. Just because they dont make a concerted effort to organise 1 massive attack, doesnt mean theyre not doing worse damage to peoples lives, and the country in general.

And on the point of the honour killings, they are certainly much more extreme, but I'm a Glasgow lad myself, and there are no shortage of foul instances fuelled by religion up here.......

Just because a minority does something doesn't mean that in the majority our farts don't stink.
Sir, how can you compare an act of terrorism to youth stabbings that occur all over the World? Terrorism is a war crime. I totally disagree with you.
My bold.

There are plenty of apologists for muslim terrorism.
 

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#12
Not that I wish to tar anyone with a similar brush, but we keep being told...and the last time was PMQs yesterday or day before.......... that the 'vast majority of muslims in this country are moderate and law abiding, and anti terror'. This could well be true, but the numbers that are seen at demos, at protests and who contribute to web pages do seem to be rabid. And numerous. So, I wonder just how the figures match up.
 
#13
old_fat_and_hairy said:
Scoteh said:
Bit of an over-reaction I'd of said. Theres chavscum already and they'll talk as tough as this lot, but at the end of the day its just ineffective jaw flapping.

How is it any different from the twanky "Anarchy in the UK" fools expecting to change the country, change the world. Idiots who will eventually grow out of it or realise that it ain't gonna happen and bugger off or settle for the quiet life.

Utterly deceptive twaddlespeak, says I.
You could well be right, but just as an aside; how many chavs have blown up tube trains? How many of the unwashed Anarchy groupies have planted bombs on omnibuses?
How many 'honour' killings of raped and abused young women have they carried out in the name of their creed and religion.
I'm not trying to be provocative, but just offering a thought or two.
Well, the socialist / anarchist / animal liberation / hire a riot squad have previously taken such charming action as stealing a body of someones grandma from her grave to stop them breeding gerbils. So I would say there are nutters in all of those camps. (Which was a wasted opportunity - a moist fetid older woman incapable of spurning your advances? She'd of been about 15cc heavier by the time I had finished with her).

Bombings? Well our very own right wing chose to blow up a number of pubs in Soho because of Gentlemen With An Affinity For Barbara Streisand.

I went to a Workers Liberty Party meeting a few months ago. Eh what a right larf. They were openly talking about being revolutionary marxists at a rally for one of their members who is going to stand for parliament. The workers of the world uniting and throwing off the yolk of the government and armed forces. I kid you not. We had a few pints with them afterwards.

I would guarantee that (like the bunch of muppets on the programme) 75% will have grown out of it by the time they reach 25.
 
#15
007m88 said:
FourEM said:
Like it or not the results are the same be it terrorist or domestic

Dead bodies ;thats where the comparison comes from
I still fail to see how a stabbing can be as much of a crime as a terrorist act. O.k murder is murder but...... Terrorism has a distinctively more threatening means to it. 9/11 and 7/7 are without doubt the biggest crimes that have occured in Western Society for decades. A planned attack thats intention is to kill and kill on a huge scale. I fail to believe that the majority of stabbings are planned. You say 300 people lose their lives to stabbings. I have a distinct feeling that 1 single terrorist act could double if not x that by 10, if on a large enough scale.
Nah. Its not. A terrorist act is one that aims to induce terror. See, that is where the name comes from.

And as for the flippant "murder is murder" - I would love to see you giving the news to a family that there son has been stabbed to death because he refused to share his chips with a gang walking past him in the street and finishing with "still, look on the bright side - at least it wasnt muslims, eh?"
 

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#16
Since this is the NAAFI then perhaps I can also lob in the terrorists in blue. Or,, more accurately, in Day-Glo yellow. There are less of them than there are Muslims, chavs and other assorted nutters, yet they are, per capita, more deadly. Muredring old blokes with heart conditions, chaps carrying chair legs, tourists etc. And they strike fear and alarm in the hearts of every law abiding and peaceful minded citizen with their obsessive surveillance, record keeping and DNA collecting.
 
#18
Bazzinho1977 said:
007m88 said:
FourEM said:
Like it or not the results are the same be it terrorist or domestic

Dead bodies ;thats where the comparison comes from
I still fail to see how a stabbing can be as much of a crime as a terrorist act. O.k murder is murder but...... Terrorism has a distinctively more threatening means to it. 9/11 and 7/7 are without doubt the biggest crimes that have occured in Western Society for decades. A planned attack thats intention is to kill and kill on a huge scale. I fail to believe that the majority of stabbings are planned. You say 300 people lose their lives to stabbings. I have a distinct feeling that 1 single terrorist act could double if not x that by 10, if on a large enough scale.
Nah. Its not. A terrorist act is one that aims to induce terror. See, that is where the name comes from.

And as for the flippant "murder is murder" - I would love to see you giving the news to a family that there son has been stabbed to death because he refused to share his chips with a gang walking past him in the street and finishing with "still, look on the bright side - at least it wasnt muslims, eh?"
Sorry my eloquent brain cell is not working

I was alluding to the victim and family of the afore mentioned couldnt give 2 stuffs as to the why hence my less than expansive answer
 
#19
BiscuitsAB said:
I am getting on my individual outrage transportation.
I've had a read of the thread, but don't think I'll add anything .......

........ but I must say, Mr BiscuitsAB, I do like your "sig block" wisdom, which I'll copy here, in case you change it.

"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

How much time he saves who does not look to see what his neighbor says or does or thinks."
 
#20
after reading the above comments,
The ad thats popping up is for "The International Muslim Matrimonials site "
Not quite the target audience they had in mind I would wager???
 

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