Morale is damaged, head of Army is told

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Morale is damaged, head of Army is told

The morale of soldiers and officers is being damaged by poor pay, undermanning and squalid accommodation, according to report drawn up for the head of the British Army.

By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 9:11AM GMT 16 Nov 2008

Gen Sir Richard Dannatt is 'hugely irritated' over standard of accommodation Photo: PA
General Sir Richard Dannatt has been told that thousands of soldiers are falling into poverty while many more are struggling to provide a basic standing of living for their families.
The report also reveals that many soldiers were found not to be eating properly "because they had run out of money by the end of the month".
More than 1,000 single-income soldiers with families now receive tax credits, but the report tells Gen Dannatt that "many junior soldiers feel that they are being forced to leave because they cannot afford to raise a family on current pay".
Entitled the Chief of the General Staff's Briefing Team Report, the document adds that soldiers are suffering from "complaint fatigue", a "frenetic" pace of life and increasing amounts of "nugatory" bureaucracy when they should be training for war.
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This report has taken how long to reach him?
 
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Dwarf said:
This report has taken how long to reach him?
That is the problem of being so far detached from the soldiers and working in an organsiation that doesn't wear uniform as a rule (except so I am told on Weds in CDS Office - which seems strange). The sense of distance and increased non undersatnding of basic issues is bound to increas in this kind of over tiered hierarchy.
 
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* Thousands of single-income soldiers in the UK are now close to the government's definition of poverty

* Poor pay is the number one area of dissatisfaction in the Army

* Many soldiers were not paid for six months

* Army is suffering from complaint fatigue

Oh well, never mind. No votes in defence remember.

How long till the CVF get cancelled to pay for new housing?
 
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Oh_Bollox said:
"Nugatory bureaucracy" everyone's fave new oxymoron.
Are you saying bureaucracy is actually not worthless?
 
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* Thousands of single-income soldiers in the UK are now close to the government's definition of poverty
TBH we could reduce this by not going through three marriages before hitting 25 years of age and impregnating each of the wives twice. Of course you're close to poverty when you're knocking out all your wages on child support.

Are you saying bureaucracy is actually not worthless?
I've fooked that up completely. At least I know what I meant. The fact that the rest of you don't understand is not because I'm a mong at all.



Honest. :(
 
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Outstanding said:
Dwarf said:
This report has taken how long to reach him?
That is the problem of being so far detached from the soldiers and working in an organsiation that doesn't wear uniform as a rule (except so I am told on Weds in CDS Office - which seems strange). The sense of distance and increased non undersatnding of basic issues is bound to increas in this kind of over tiered hierarchy.
Outstanding I think you must be the only person in the Army who believes the current CGS is out of touch. He was responding to the points raised in the report. Of course he knows about the state of accommodation. The CGS Briefing Team Report has given him the opportunity to bang the drum again, and he has taken it.

Was there anything in the report which commented on the adverse effect on morale of serving personnel wearing suits in MB?

Which would you prefer: that CGS focuses his attention on the issues raised in the report, or sticks it in the pending tray and turns his attention instead to the wearing of uniform in MB?
 
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LISpace said:
Outstanding said:
Dwarf said:
This report has taken how long to reach him?
That is the problem of being so far detached from the soldiers and working in an organsiation that doesn't wear uniform as a rule (except so I am told on Weds in CDS Office - which seems strange). The sense of distance and increased non undersatnding of basic issues is bound to increas in this kind of over tiered hierarchy.
Outstanding I think you must be the only person in the Army who believes the current CGS is out of touch. He was responding to the points raised in the report. Of course he knows about the state of accommodation. The CGS Briefing Team Report has given him the opportunity to bang the drum again, and he has taken it.

Was there anything in the report which commented on the adverse effect on morale of serving personnel wearing suits in MB?

Which would you prefer: that CGS focuses his attention on the issues raised in the report, or sticks it in the pending tray and turns his attention instead to the wearing of uniform in MB?
Careful, otherwise he might start on about PAYD.
 
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Well I'm blessed! Who would have believed it?

Now, someone has gone and told CGS.

Most soldiers I know suffered a 'morale loss' when the 'grinning spiv' Bliar started to refer to them as 'my Armed Forces'.

As for the current unelected oaf, pretending to be important, his day will come. Painfully I hope!
 

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Outstanding said:
Dwarf said:
This report has taken how long to reach him?
That is the problem of being so far detached from the soldiers and working in an organsiation that doesn't wear uniform as a rule (except so I am told on Weds in CDS Office - which seems strange). The sense of distance and increased non undersatnding of basic issues is bound to increas in this kind of over tiered hierarchy.
Will you give it a fucking rest you boring bastard!

What the fuck has the fact that uniform is not worn in MB got to do with this? Get off your fucking crusade and maybe folk will begin to take you seriously.

General Dannatt is probably more in touch with grass roots soldiers than any CGS in recent memory. He knows morale is down - I'm sure he's mentioned it on more than a few occasions. Now he has an official report to thrust in the face of those political twats who only believe things that are shoved up their rectum in easy to read format.
 
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I work in MB - many of my colleagues at all levels who are apparently "detached" from their soldiers, have just returned from a tour, are working up for a tour, or frequently flying into and out of theatre on short visits to do with work. The idea that one is posted to MB and never again returns to the field army is about as relevant to todays army as cavalry charges...
 
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Outstanding said:
Dwarf said:
This report has taken how long to reach him?
That is the problem of being so far detached from the soldiers and working in an organsiation that doesn't wear uniform as a rule (except so I am told on Weds in CDS Office - which seems strange). The sense of distance and increased non undersatnding of basic issues is bound to increas in this kind of over tiered hierarchy.
Outstanding

You are the one who seems to have a non undersatnding(sic) of basic issues. Get back to your own thread or go and play with the traffic!

Shiny.
 
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Compared to mates on Civi Street we are doing alright for pay at the moment especially the Infantry on the Higher rate, over the past few years we may have been behind but this will soon catch up. When the house prices are on average £125000 in 2011, more single lads will be able to afford flats and also rent out. The morale may be low in parts but its an awesome job.

More money would be nice, this should be operationally specific to avoid all the guys/gals that stay behind (Malinger). If increments for these where stopped and extra rises for operational soldiers in place, morale would increase. Please dont come on and lecture me on discrimination because Equal Opportunities means everybody is treated equally to their own individual needs. If you cant deploy lose your increment and let the rest have it. If you have been injured operationally then you will receive your payments in war pension etc, if I am not mistaken medical pensions are non taxable.

Wages are getting less on Civi street so as far as leaving as you can not afford to raise a family is bizare, most of the houses are perfectly good for married personnel and a lot cheaper than what you would get in comparison as a civi. I would also love to know what jobs these guys and girls are getting if their leaving the Army, Close Protection is flooded, young lads dont get much of a look in these days anyway. Plumbers, joiners etc, the country is now full of them. Maybe on the rigs if you have a medical background.

Kit is a problem but squaddies love to moan and at the end of the day there is more and more decent kit being supplied.

Improvements are needed and it is a more dangerous job than 99% of civis have but its Ace and the Credit Crunch will improve finances not hurt them.
 
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gary....you're very wrong on almost every point you raise. good night
 

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