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Moral Dilemma?

Your Oppo calls you late one night. He's in a state. He's discovered his missus in bed wit

  • Hang the phone up quietly and pretend it was a wrong call...

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  • Hang the phone up and call Plod immediately...

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  • Motor over there at full speed, pulling in whatever favours you can, to assist with him the 'cl

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bernoulli said:
There are two things your 'mate' should consider:

1. He's not going to get away with it, it's too messy, no planning.

2. Being a bog standard two-snuff 'Passion' killer doesn't earn that much kudos on the landings these days.

He's going down, so he may as well go down in style: Spree-Killer is the way to go.
He should start by arranging the victims in a ritual murder type pose and leave a pornographic playing card on each body. He should then steal the vic’s car and go out and buy 200 rocks of crack, 20 baggies of crystal meth, A key of skunk and 6 quarts of Vodka. After buying the vodka, he should waste the Offy owner for giving him 'bad face' and scrawl 'little piggy' on his face in his own blood, leaving another porn playing card on the body.
After that, he should go to one of those all night Asda garages, fill up, and then make the pump attendant fellate him at gunpoint, finishing him off with a shot to the head after making him beg not to have it.
With all that done, he will be about set to make a real beginning to the night's work.
He can then go out and buy two high-yellow Mullatto whores, and off them after they laugh at his little chihuahua dick - and sodomise them postmortem.
Now, he should be in a proper killin' way of mind, and be ready for the classic pig roast, bearing in mind that he has to kill a minimum of two Busies, at least one of whom must be due to retire the following day.
Next, he will need to pick up a disturbed redneck girl with a history of sexual abuse, to goad him on to further atrocities and to point out random fellows who are 'makin' eyes' at her, for execution.
Hitchhikers. How have we managed to get this far without hitchhikers? He will need a young, achingly beautiful, couple that have just ran away from home. The boy gets it in the head, point blank, after being to made to beg. The girl gets strangled with electrical flex, before being frenziedly stabbed by the redneck chick. Naturally, both will be sodomised postmortem and left with the obligatory pornographic playing card.

As the sun comes up, he will be ready to hand himself in - but as darkly shining hero, instead of a p1ss-poor, blubbering, two whack loser. Instead of some inner city Victorian hovel of a prison, he will go to a country club, such as Broadmoor, as a Big Man. All he'll need to do is show his dead-face to deter the predators, score some weed and smack off the screws, maybe get a pansy for stress relief, and he'll arguably be enjoying a better lifestyle than he ever did as a Squaddy.

Think on...

Who the fcuck have you been mates with... Charles Manson :?: :eek: :
 
blind_monkey said:
Dry_Clean_Only said:
Time is the problem, so other than considering wormholes, string theory and mirror universes as a way to increase said time, then the key is getting the "problem" sorted quickly...

Keeping the story believable and viable is crucial here, so moving the crime scene isn't going to work i.e. burying bodies etc, because no doubt the bloke who was doing your mates wife's is going to have left a car, phone, mates behind and this all points in the wrong direction. You can give your mate an alibi so that will cover him, now you need to do something with the house.

I suggest for a start destroy the evidence scene, so a nice high temperature fire should do, as I have alluded to before you need high temperatures to physically destroy DNA, so on the quiet if you can increase the volatiles without adding to much contrary material to the crime scene, the fire will burn hotter and cleaner. I wouldn't like to suggest in an open forum what materials one might find in a house easily, but a combination of wax (easily explainable in a house) and some petroleum based products would point the way. :)

So house burns down, shame and all that particularly if your mate has done some DIY recently, but still it's insured and he'd probably get more right now than if he sold it, so a win win there. The missus is thoroughly cremated and that will hide any evidence of foul play.

Now you have said random to deal with, leave his car outside the house, hopefully, and maybe with a bit of help the fire will spread (you'd probably want to use an electronic timer to trigger the blaze so you can be a good distance away and wired right it would just look like a electronic light delay switch) and burn the car as well.

So this leaves you with disposing of the random body to dispose of, and the water plan sounds best, deep water, somewhere off the coast; the English Channel isn't a bad bet as long as it's relatively deep, lots of traffic will aggravate the decay process of the body and high tidal currents will result in any body parts being scattered widely.

Now just a good cover story regarding how your mate was with you all night, doing the beers and talking about what a great wife he has. Job done :-D

Ever worked with/on a Mossad Kidon team per chance?

I was thinking 'Russian Mafia', maybe both...Speaking of Mafia, what about that (Mexican?) specialist who dissolved a great many corpses in acid and then poured the slurry away? He was known as 'The Stewmaker' or something of that sort, until arrested fairly recently. Fancy having to share a cell with him... 8O
 
Monty417 said:
bernoulli said:
There are two things your 'mate' should consider:

1. He's not going to get away with it, it's too messy, no planning.

2. Being a bog standard two-snuff 'Passion' killer doesn't earn that much kudos on the landings these days.

He's going down, so he may as well go down in style: Spree-Killer is the way to go.
He should start by arranging the victims in a ritual murder type pose and leave a pornographic playing card on each body. He should then steal the vic’s car and go out and buy 200 rocks of crack, 20 baggies of crystal meth, A key of skunk and 6 quarts of Vodka. After buying the vodka, he should waste the Offy owner for giving him 'bad face' and scrawl 'little piggy' on his face in his own blood, leaving another porn playing card on the body.
After that, he should go to one of those all night Asda garages, fill up, and then make the pump attendant fellate him at gunpoint, finishing him off with a shot to the head after making him beg not to have it.
With all that done, he will be about set to make a real beginning to the night's work.
He can then go out and buy two high-yellow Mullatto whores, and off them after they laugh at his little chihuahua dick - and sodomise them postmortem.
Now, he should be in a proper killin' way of mind, and be ready for the classic pig roast, bearing in mind that he has to kill a minimum of two Busies, at least one of whom must be due to retire the following day.
Next, he will need to pick up a disturbed redneck girl with a history of sexual abuse, to goad him on to further atrocities and to point out random fellows who are 'makin' eyes' at her, for execution.
Hitchhikers. How have we managed to get this far without hitchhikers? He will need a young, achingly beautiful, couple that have just ran away from home. The boy gets it in the head, point blank, after being to made to beg. The girl gets strangled with electrical flex, before being frenziedly stabbed by the redneck chick. Naturally, both will be sodomised postmortem and left with the obligatory pornographic playing card.

As the sun comes up, he will be ready to hand himself in - but as darkly shining hero, instead of a p1ss-poor, blubbering, two whack loser. Instead of some inner city Victorian hovel of a prison, he will go to a country club, such as Broadmoor, as a Big Man. All he'll need to do is show his dead-face to deter the predators, score some weed and smack off the screws, maybe get a pansy for stress relief, and he'll arguably be enjoying a better lifestyle than he ever did as a Squaddy.

Think on...

Who the fcuck have you been mates with... Charles Manson :?: :eek: :

Now that's a plan!!!

How's about tag-teaming, playing (al la Vin Diesel style) "Who's the better killer"... start at opposite ends of the country, first man nicked is the loser?
 
HappyNomad said:
Add some obvious gunshot wounds to both bodies (unless of course they were done to death by shooting) and then, on a very cold night, dump both bodies on a Belfast street - Who's going to bother with an investigation?

Not sure even Easyjet would want to accept two dead bodies - for any money... and it might make the obligatory pre-flight questions a little tough to answer...

Moss Side might be better, or, as an up and comming area, South (Central) Croydon (aka L.A.).....

Or just make it look like a suicide pact? Then everyone's home in time for Pot-Noodle's and Special Brew...
 
I'd tell him to liquidate his assets and get the fvck out of the UK and into a nonextradition country. Fvck the forensics as some one will miss them, the police will but two and two together and come looking for him with or without a body.
 
blind_monkey said:
HappyNomad said:
Add some obvious gunshot wounds to both bodies (unless of course they were done to death by shooting) and then, on a very cold night, dump both bodies on a Belfast street - Who's going to bother with an investigation?

Not sure even Easyjet would want to accept two dead bodies - for any money... and it might make the obligatory pre-flight questions a little tough to answer...

Moss Side might be better, or, as an up and comming area, South (Central) Croydon (aka L.A.).....

Or just make it look like a suicide pact? Then everyone's home in time for Pot-Noodle's and Special Brew...

Bodies? Airlines? Technically not that difficult to get stuff past, you'd just need to protect it against the scanners and other security systems properly. Most modern detectors are designed for scanning for radioactive, chems and biologics rather than bodies, it would be a matter of masking the flesh completely to prevent residue vapor detection and obviously packaging. I suppose breaking down the bodies into several family size suitcases might work, or possibly one or two trips; which you'd be obliged to make, rather than said mate. I'd probably use a sealant first of all to block up pores and for sealing any orifices and internals of the bodies where they'd been cut up.

Various sealant products on the market, again though, need to watch for residue vapor, that will certainly trigger many stand off type detectors. Once sealed, then a wrapping of sort, I originally considered cling film but I'm not certain that would be opaque to x-rays. I can think of one or two materials including a modification of kapton tape, though unless you work in a facility where you have easy access to radiation hard materials (like me :-D) then I guess that might be tricky. There are a couple of other materials which would work but I'm not going to mention them in open forum...
 
Dry_Clean_Only said:
blind_monkey said:
HappyNomad said:
Add some obvious gunshot wounds to both bodies (unless of course they were done to death by shooting) and then, on a very cold night, dump both bodies on a Belfast street - Who's going to bother with an investigation?

Not sure even Easyjet would want to accept two dead bodies - for any money... and it might make the obligatory pre-flight questions a little tough to answer...

Moss Side might be better, or, as an up and comming area, South (Central) Croydon (aka L.A.).....

Or just make it look like a suicide pact? Then everyone's home in time for Pot-Noodle's and Special Brew...

Bodies? Airlines? Technically not that difficult to get stuff past, you'd just need to protect it against the scanners and other security systems properly. Most modern detectors are designed for scanning for radioactive, chems and biologics rather than bodies, it would be a matter of masking the flesh completely to prevent residue vapor detection and obviously packaging. I suppose breaking down the bodies into several family size suitcases might work, or possibly one or two trips; which you'd be obliged to make, rather than said mate. I'd probably use a sealant first of all to block up pores and for sealing any orifices and internals of the bodies where they'd been cut up.

Various sealant products on the market, again though, need to watch for residue vapor, that will certainly trigger many stand off type detectors. Once sealed, then a wrapping of sort, I originally considered cling film but I'm not certain that would be opaque to x-rays. I can think of one or two materials including a modification of kapton tape, though unless you work in a facility where you have easy access to radiation hard materials (like me :-D) then I guess that might be tricky. There are a couple of other materials which would work but I'm not going to mention them in open forum...

aw go on, theres a few of us with ongoing projects here that could do with the advice :twisted:
 
blind_monkey said:
Your Oppo calls you late one night.

He's in a state.

He's discovered his missus in bed with some random.

Both are now resting peacefully on some plastic sheeting.

He's asking for your assist. Would you.....

I would be totally horrified to receive a call like that.

Finding out your mates missus puts out only AFTER he's offed her ... fcuking tragedy.
 
Monty417 said:
kabulronin said:
I don't know if it is the case in the UK but people in the US have been successfully convicted of murder even if there was no body.

And as to high temperature fires may I suggest white phos, though you may need to place it directly in the stomach cavity not just ON the body.....

'No Body No murder' was abolished to all intents and purposes, in 1954 when a polish guy was convicted of murder without proof of body. I think that the first conviction happened in the US in 1960.

Duffdyke will sort it out if I'm wrong.

Its true, with carefull planning and access to the right equipment you can fake your own death.

Over many months you take 0.5-1 pint of blood every few weeks. You must create you own blood bank bank and adhere to strict defrosting guidlines so as not to raise awareness to the forensics. When you have 8 pints or just over, choose where you want to "die", a large expanse of cream carpet does nicely. Now you must pour the blood just in the one spot to indicate one knife wound dont slosh it around just keep pouring it on the same place.

Once your done you can pack up and fcuk off.
 
Bring the bodies around here, there are a couple of empty desks and nobody would notice the lack of output from a couple more civil servants in defence procurement.
 
Minnesota_Viking said:
Bring the bodies around here, there are a couple of empty desks and nobody would notice the lack of output from a couple more civil servants in defence procurement.

Bet they'd be noticed at finishing time. I can't imagine anyone there still sitting at their desk at five to knock off. :D
 
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