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Opposed landings? Like ones where someone shouts "here - stop doing that"? I think the trick is to land where there is no opposition, or as little as possible. Being able to land on the beach keeps the enemy guess, as opposed to hoping you can put forces into his port.



Since the millennium, there were amphibious demonstrations in Sierra Leone (2000 onwards), Exercise Saif Sareaa II (2001), amphibious aspects of Telic (2003), HMS Albion and her Bootnecks standing by for a Non Combatant evacuation in the Ivory Coast in 2004, other major amphibious exercises pretty much every year (including in the Far East and Saif Sareaa III in Oman last year), and the commitment of amphibious forces to NATO's Northern Flank...
1986 my Bn was on spearhead and deployment was set up to Aden via Djibouti in French landing craft. No RM or RN involvement until brittania saved the day! Not enough int re opposed landing sites however it didn’t stop the MoD sending us at least as far as Lyneham!
 

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1986 my Bn was on spearhead and deployment was set up to Aden via Djibouti in French landing craft. No RM or RN involvement until brittania saved the day! Not enough int re opposed landing sites however it didn’t stop the MoD sending us at least as far as Lyneham!
Atleast you did t get your puttees moist and the Brown Bess dirty.
 
Be interesting to see what the "subtle difference" is in the uniform. Crye would be the same palette , different shapes. Subtle enough ? Also, as off the shelf as you can get.
Always fancied Pencott Badlands myself.
 
RM may well end up contracting inwards and forming cadres of specialist which means the actual bodies doing the main landings (if needed) will be normal light infantry with the RM driving the boats and manning the various recce teams.
Errr like the Falklands?

 
Someone in MoD is clearly very fcuking bored indeed to dream up this crap. I can understand new gats, but uniform? After all that was spent on introducing MTP when there was fcuk all wrong with DPM? Someone needs their arse kicking. It's more bods and ships we need, not bloody fantasy dress up box bullshit.

Try telling that to Eddie.
 
What happens to all the artillery, logistics, engineers, dont need them as they aren't ally?

Good number of those are Army / Joint manned

Perhaps assigning some UK Light battalions to them to create an army Mountain / Arctic brigade - freeing up the RM from its Norway role.

Edit - disband one or 2 LR inf battalions** as required to bring them ( logs arty eng etc) up to strength.

I would do the same with the Paras - Ditch SFSG - use the 2 para battalions for that - use brigade assets to form air mobile brigade (equipped with MAN SV not actual aircraft obviously)

Reduce* the RM to the Cdos, associated assaults sqns - Landing craft and ships parties and a Brigade HQ if only for Amphibious planning - to retain that skill set.

*Reallocate the numbers to the RN

**English ones obviously FFS dont cut a Scottish one unless you want to give Sturgeon yet another mandate for a referendum
 
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Errr like the Falklands?


Unsurprisingly, Mr Gardiner’s book is heavy on slating the Army, but the hallowed Bootnecks come in for no critique at all...........
 
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Who said anything about changing the colours of the rig? It’s more likely to be a change of the cut of the uniform than anything else. I reckon it’s all cause royal hate the pockets on the sleeves and can’t roll up to show off their hoofin corps tats.


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Opposed landings have been without Amphib doctrine for as long as I can remember (mid 70s)

As for the other examples they are classic examples of the self-licking lollipop - they happened not because there was an overriding need for them, but simply that the capability was there, why not use it?

@OllieReeder thoughts?
I would tend to agree. The beach landings in Sierra Leone made for fantastic strategic communication - Royal fast-roping from helos en masse - but in actual effect, probably trumped by the Paras simply turning up at the airport and driving off the naughty fellows. I am sure that the presence of amphibious forces in the Gulf in 2003 was useful in forcing the Iraqis to guard against both armour from Kuwait, and landings from the sea, but that having been achieved, the degree to which the landings were then necessary is perhaps questionable.

I well remember twenty years ago, some RN and RM types in the J2 world dismissing the Iranians and Chinese as having an amphibious capability, because whilst we could send a battalion sized landing force halfway around the world to land on any beach, all that the Iranians and Chinese could do was send a division or two about one hundred miles to land on the opposite coast. The then CDI (a Crab) rather caustically remarked that to his simple, uneducated mind, that actually seemed a pretty impressive capability, and probably quite strategically useful to said countries; he further pointed out that our lot might well be simply arrested on arrival by much larger local police forces. o_O
 
Royal often forgets that:
  • the original commandos were Army; and
  • when the RM Division was disbanded mid-war, roughly half the chaps were re-roled as commandos, the other half were re-roled as landing craft crews.
The idea that RM and Commando are, and have always been, synonymous...
Could even say the original RM were Army, Duke of York and Albany's Maritime Regiment of Foot. But to be honest it is a capability you do not want to loose, because once it is gone.......
 
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Smacks more of RN grownups pre-empting an option to bin the RM in the next Defence review as they have been doing the same ground combat role as the army for the last 19 or so years.
Nope, drafted by RM, staffed by RM, submitted by RM and a wide range of ranks involved at all stages.
 
Could even say the original RM were Army, Duke of York and Albany's Maritime Regiment of Foot. But to be honest it is a capability you do not want to loose, because once it is gone.......
Could not agree more with you. However, retaining a useful capability is not in itself a respectable argument for new togs and gats just for the sake of "subtle distinctiveness." RM have always been fairly distinctive - with or without subtlety.
 

Gout Man

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We know the Bootneck will only break it, oooooo look at me i'm a royal.
Bloody hell a couple of them have mastered the art of having a refreshing nap whilst on parade. Excellent use of time.
 

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