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Moderation in the NAAFI bar

#3
The NAAFI bar on any camp is an area Out of Bounds to softies, nonces and whiners.

It is also a place where the proffesional soldier can banter, laugh, cry, wind up, beat up and generally do what they please.

Can someone please tell me what sort of NAAFI bar has an Orderly officer patrolling every five minutes
 
#4
......or what Naafi bar has members of the public and the media casually strolling by every five minutes?

Please understand that that's the difference here... :)
 
#5
mm Ok mate, I see your point

At times such as now, I cant help but feel that the public and the Media are glad that we are a little different and that we have the ability to laugh at things that the public may seem a little 'touchy'

Dont think thye would sleep soundly knowing that there was a bunch of librarians keeping watch

Only an opinion
 
#6
Eagle has a fair point though, we are not a "closed shop" and anyone with a PC can come strolling in here at any point.  I don't think a modicum of moderation will affect the nature and general feel of the NAAFI in fact I can't help but feel that in a "real" NAAFI people like ORG and MDN would be the ones who were making sure the nigs were behaving themselves and ensuring it didn't get way out of hand - pair of big teddy bears really aren't you boys?

Draconian moderation? - just check out PPRune.
 
#7
Fair enough Eagle.

I think what really grated though was that today I received a few PM's from people on here that had in turn been PM'd and "warned" about the content of their posts.

Amazing thing though, when we knocked heads and went back through the ones which we thought may be a bit OTT or were dragging off thread, guess what? It would appear that half of them had been dragged off thread by moderators in the first place, not neccesarily the moderator of that thread, but moderators none the less.

When you look back, you see the word "edit" quite a lot in the moderators posts just before they want to get their "holier than though" heads on.

So, the score is, a semi serious thread gets posted, one of the mods drags it off thread, we jump on it, mod joins in, someone complains, mod edits their post, we look like tw*ts.

There is one very recent one (where, me, MDN and others have deleted our "contributions") where this is blatantly, blatantly obvious. The outcome? We get slated for dragging the tone down.

I'm not saying that we are angels (far from it), but if the moderators set an example where the jist of the thread is altered, is it our fault that we then jump all over it?

Or is it that the board is really run like the Army and anything that the mods do is "high spirits" where it can all be made to dissapear later, whilst we, the great unwashed are subject to a seperate set of rules?
 
#8
Amazing thing though, when we knocked heads and went back through the ones which we thought may be a bit OTT or were dragging off thread, guess what? It would appear that half of them had been dragged off thread by moderators in the first place,
Pleased I wasn't the only one that noticed.

Rather be a French, Firefighting, taleban assylum seeker than a hypocrite
 
#9
.......mod edits their post, we look like tw*ts.
I'm not aware of those threads in particular (far too busy with other things) but in my time here, I think I've only ever modded a thread/topic fewer than half a dozen times.

However, I can assure everyone this; I'll always do my utmost to avoid making people looking like tw@ts....even if I think they're in the wrong.  If a there's a risk of this, I'd rather pull the whole thread.  I've seen so many people made to look like a dickhead on other forums through careless, knee-jerk reaction moderation.

It's not pleasant.....and it's not my style either!

 
 
#10
At times such as now, I cant help but feel that the public and the Media are glad that we are a little different and that we have the ability to laugh at things that the public may seem a little 'touchy'
I have to agree with you MDN - in my profession anyone who works in it can tell you about things we have laughed at........ some people may be horrified, but c'mon, surely the majority realise that laughter is a great stress reliever.......... and hell, there is enough bad things happening in the world at present.

Anyone with any sense can surely see it's all banter and really not to be taken seriously.

It's a shame that people have been made to feel uncomfortable about their posts.

If you mods are not careful, I can see people moving away, as they did on the certain aviation site, due to the moderation policy there. :(

SURELY it's the job of the Forum Moderator to moderate his own forum and not for Mods from other boards to do so, if that is indeed what is happening ???  ???  ???
 
#11
You would be amazed, and I mean amazed, how many PM's me and MDN between us have recived today / tonight reflecting the exact sentiments of the post above.

Thing that p1ssed me off was the response I got when I told them to air their views the way that I have tonight.

1033 answer seemed to be "I don't want to get banned", which, judging by the last one I got from a member (not a moderator) is what people think is going to happen to me and the nemesis.

BUT, and this is only my opinion, I see this as the beginning of PPrune type moderation, which will just make it as big of a waste of time as that site is.
 
#12
BUT, and this is only my opinion, I see this as the beginning of PPrune type moderation, which will just make it as big of a waste of time as that site is.
I agree entirely with you ORG, and their 'alternative' site is going from strength to strength.
 
#14
Check your PM's ORG.

One cannot have full access to the site without registering - and one cannot access the naughty forums without another password!
 
#15
I see this as the beginning of PPrune type moderation, which will just make it as big of a waste of time as that site is.
Oh come on ORG, read the moderation policy again it's hardly restricting your right to free speech, surely the fact you're discussing this subject on this forum is a contradiction in terms!
 
#16
I just found the solution.

I have just registered on the "other means" that Lifesaver has mentioned and nearly swamped myself in the first 5 minutes.

THAT is how a "NAAFI" type forum should be run. Pure, unadulterated, unedited, unmoderated, p1ssed myself laughing fun.

Looks like it was set up by a sceptic as well, so the solution obviously isn't rocket science.

See ya later
 
#17
Oh come on ORG, read the moderation policy again it's hardly restricting your right to free speech, surely the fact you're discussing this subject on this forum is a contradiction in terms!
I never have and never will dispute the fact that the policies on here are fairly open. Like I said, what has p1ssed us off was the hypocrisy of it.

One mod in particular, and I won't start sh1t slinging by naming him, has arrogantly pushed threads off topic, altered his own and then preached the holier than though line. Not just me, the general consensus between the "dissenters" was that he was the worse transgressor. Stereotypical "officer" type mentality, do as I say and ignore what I do. (apologies Ramilies, I did take heed of your earlier comments and do not attach those comments to the other officers of which you spoke ;D)

Tickled me when I got a PM from someone that knew him though saying "ignore him, he is a wannabe that has never been near................................"

Annoying thing is though; he is obviously intelligent enough to know what he is doing but arrogant enough to think that we won't notice.

For the very same reasons that have been given for clamping down on us (the fact that this is a public, open civvy means), people need to realise that rank and commissions mean nothing on here.

Experience and respect are paramount. You will not and have never heard the likes of me or MDN slate Ramilies or Eagle. Respect is earned by the careful analysis of the type and quality of discussion, it is not a pre determined right. You will not get people to follow rules blindly on a means where they can simply bugger off, change identities and IP addresses and come back as someone else, or, which is not good for the board, simply bugger off somewhere else.

I personally never came on here to earn respect as a "leader", or to get people to listen to me and take note, I simply came on here so that I could break away from being an MD during my day to day job and revert back to being what I was during the best time of my life.

Act like a prat at times, talk bOllocks, insult my friends, lie about minor incidents, exaggerate nights out, insult the unsuspecting, disgust civvies, drag serious matters into the gutter.

Just like the Army really. But hey, perhaps we want civvies to think we are all a bunch of civilised, well spoken, well educated, politically correct autonatoms.

Like I said, I have found the perfect solution on another means. By all means if you want I will PM the address to you so you can peruse and maybe look at doing something similar. The answer is painfully easy and makes the experience a fcuking good laugh.
 
#20
1033 answer seemed to be "I don't want to get banned", which, judging by the last one I got from a member (not a moderator) is what people think is going to happen to me and the nemesis.
Ladies and Gents, whilst not a regular contributer in the NAAFI, can I point out as one of the Mods, that whilst the Mods accept a joint responsibility accross the whole of the site, the actual board moderator (and BadCO) have ultimate responsibility for their own board.  I am actually amazed at the over reaction to what I perceive to be a statement of a set of guidelines, that I would have hoped the majority would have had the decency to be following in the first place.  

As far as getting banned is concerned, I can only think of one individual in nearly 18 months that has been banned from this site, and that was after a thorough investigation to ensure that he was actually the individual we thought he was.  

Eagle is your board Mod, and whilst I know he has moderated some posts, his usual style is to ask the individual poster to consider moderating the post himself.  

On camp, the NAAFI still has rules and regulations, the guidelines posted in the Moderation Policy are merely reminding you of the bounds that exist within the virtual NAAFI.  If you truely believe that life can't go on with these liberal guidelines employed, then by all means disappear, personally I think you would be cutting of your nose to spite your face.

Your call.
 

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