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MoD works on evacuation plan for 22,000 Britons in Zimbabwe

#1
British military commanders are reviewing contingency plans for the evacuation of up to 22,000 Britons from Zimbabwe after months of rising violence and food shortages.

The Ministry of Defence has been asked to look urgently at what logistical help it could provide amid “real concerns” in Whitehall about Zimbabwe’s slide into chaos.

Diplomatic sources said that the review was focusing on a “civil contingency plan”, which included seeking help from neighbouring countries. “Military evacuation from a third country would only be used as a last resort,” one source said.

Political leaders from southern African countries formed a laager, or defensive circle, around Mr Mugabe yesterday, publicly lauding as a hero the man who has brought his country to the brink of collapse.

Mr Mugabe was greeted with cheers, applause, dancing and laughter from fellow dignitaries when he arrived in Lusaka, the capital of Zambia, for the two-day summit of leaders of the 14-nation Southern African Development Community. Mr Mugabe, 83, smiled broadly as he acknowledged the rapturous welcome, louder and more enthusiastic than for any of the other heads of state or government.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2274453.ece
 
#3
armchair_jihad said:
British military commanders are reviewing contingency plans for the evacuation of up to 22,000 Britons from Zimbabwe after months of rising violence and food shortages.

The Ministry of Defence has been asked to look urgently at what logistical help it could provide amid “real concerns” in Whitehall about Zimbabwe’s slide into chaos.

Diplomatic sources said that the review was focusing on a “civil contingency plan”, which included seeking help from neighbouring countries. “Military evacuation from a third country would only be used as a last resort,” one source said.

Political leaders from southern African countries formed a laager, or defensive circle, around Mr Mugabe yesterday, publicly lauding as a hero the man who has brought his country to the brink of collapse.

Mr Mugabe was greeted with cheers, applause, dancing and laughter from fellow dignitaries when he arrived in Lusaka, the capital of Zambia, for the two-day summit of leaders of the 14-nation Southern African Development Community. Mr Mugabe, 83, smiled broadly as he acknowledged the rapturous welcome, louder and more enthusiastic than for any of the other heads of state or government.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2274453.ece
Owww fecking great!!!! and these troops and Tpt will come from where???

Great an NEO involving resources needed else where
 
#4
Cow said:
83 years old.... Hopefully he'll die soon.

Do we have much spare deployable lift capacity?
Of couse we do, don't you read MoD press releases?
 
#5
I don't know how reliable the article is, but rescuing 22,000 Britons would seem very much a priority to me, surpassing, say, the Balkans, Basra or Afghanistan.

And, if HM Armed Forces cannot cope with that or (worse) consider such mission a nuisance, then you should start pondering why you are spending more than 30 billion pounds a year on them.

easesprings said:
Owww fecking great!!!! and these troops and Tpt will come from where???

Great an NEO involving resources needed else where
 
#6
Vilela said:
I don't know how reliable the article is, but rescuing 22,000 Britons would seem very much a priority to me, surpassing, say, the Balkans, Basra or Afghanistan.
You'd be surprised. Road evac to a friendly nation? Easier than flying them all out, but suppose could use Civ Air?
 
#7
Did anyone else see how Mugabe tottered off the steps of his plane? seemed to be either, three sheets to the wind, or on the verge of a terminal stroke. As to deploying troops, which ones, from where and why?
 
#8
That country has been in shit state for years , i know lots of Brits have already left but those still there have made their choice . Can some one tell us just how much tax they are paying to the UK towards the cost of any evacuation ?
 
#10
Cow said:
83 years old.... Hopefully he'll die soon.

Do we have much spare deployable lift capacity?
A shed load of civ air would be in order. Even if we threw everything we have at it, it would take well over 100 Tristar sorties to evacuate everyone.

Road moves would play their part and we could probably lean on the Yanks (who'll be evacuating some of their own as well) to help out. We'd probaly be wary of using some african nations' airlift because of their poor safety records. South Africa would probably be the best bet for help from wothin the continent, unfortunately they too would have their hands full.
 

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#11
Why not get 'some' forces in place to secure evac-to-civair landing points, and while they are at it, see if they can't have a little scrap with some of 'despots' forces after being aherm, attacked from El Presidente's compound . . .
 
#13
Bat_Crab said:
it, it would take well over 100 Tristar sorties to evacuate everyone.
Blimey your showing your age - who still flys those things?










:wink:
 
#14
Where would 22,000 Zimbabweans go?
 
#15
armchair_jihad said:
Bat_Crab said:
it, it would take well over 100 Tristar sorties to evacuate everyone.
Blimey your showing your age - who still flys those things?










:wink:
Only just saw the wink before I replied!!

Get your point though - not sure who else does operate them still!!
 
#16
These wouls be Britons of course who have never lived in Britain, who supported the UDI in 1965 and were quite happy to be Zimbabwean when the country was being run by Smith and co. I assume they held on to British passports as an insurance policy. It's not unlike the Ugandan Asians situation .
 

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#17
Wench3000 said:
Where would 22,000 Zimbabweans go?
Same place half a million South Africans have gone, and Aussies, and a good few Rhodesians already! Back home to the motherland; here :D

Of course, they won't find too many of their brothers and sisters, 'cos we're all flying out to New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the US with our houses and kids strapped to our back.
 
#19
armchair_jihad said:
Bat_Crab said:
it would take well over 100 Tristar sorties to evacuate everyone.
Blimey your showing your age - who still flys those things?










:wink:
I very nearly bit as well, damn you A_J!

Rough calculations one T* operating a two hour route to South Africa with 1 hour on the ground at either end and three crews for 24hr ops would be able to do 6 flights a day. At that rate it would take one ac 18 days to evac all 22,000. Make it 2 ac and everyone is out in 9 or 10 days.

Obviously this doesn't allow for the ac going tits up for 12 hours out of every 48...

Much better to just charter 5 or 6 civvy jets from SA to do the job for you.
 
#20
craftsmanx said:
These wouls be Britons of course who have never lived in Britain, who supported the UDI in 1965 and were quite happy to be Zimbabwean when the country was being run by Smith and co. I assume they held on to British passports as an insurance policy. It's not unlike the Ugandan Asians situation .
Sorry conker bollox but a British passport demands protection from the British Army. :roll:

Are you going to decide levels of citizenship now? You don't half talk some rubbish. :oops:
 

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