MoD to cut war widows pensions if they sue.......

The biggest part of the negligence is our military being in Iraq , and now Afghanistan, in the first place , neither of these countries are any of our business , the majority of the British population do not want our troops there.
Blair is totally responsible in trying to play the big statesman and acting on the orders of Bush , sit , beg , wag your tail , good boy . send your troops out there to do the dirty work.
I am sure that the MoD will lose in the courts the first time this is tried. Maximum media publicity will make them look like the cheats they are.
Utter disbelief. Soldiers should not be put in this position in the first place. The MPs moan, but they're the onces stopping our money going to the places we need them to stop life being lost in the first place.
The Ministry of Defence will cut war widows' pensions if they successfully sue the Government over the death of their husbands on the battlefield (source: Telegraph)

I wounder if the people who made these decisions have actually been through traumatic event of losing there husbands and wife's

Our soldier's fight for our queen and country and this is how our government treat there family's
I think in my oppinion our government should have a re think regarding this


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The RBL do a lot of good work fighting for pensions so I am sure they will pitch in on this one also - or at least I hope they do!
How absolutely typical of this government - plenty of 'our troops do a fantastic job' soundbites, whilst the reality is endless waits for medals, wounded personnel not being properly looked after, and this absolute disgrace.
This is a terrible idea and is highly dubious and certainly immoral.

The widows pension is payable for that very reason because they are widows/widowers.

If the MoD is further liable, due to negligece, lack of kit or what have you, they should pay out on top of that. It is not an either/or set up.

I don't know if it just penny pinching of the worst sort or an MoD plot to keep the widows quiet, who may take them on to gain better standards for others during their greif or after ala Mrs Gentle or Mrs Roberts. What next taxi drivers giving out the bad news?


Auld-Yin said:
The RBL do a lot of good work fighting for pensions so I am sure they will pitch in on this one also - or at least I hope they do!

Come on then, let's not just sit here and chunter. It's wrong, it's immoral and is in line with other cash saving practices by this Governenment. We all know that. They know that, but let us not allow this matter to go unnoticed by the public. Let's demand via our local MPs, that this decision be reversed and the need for an Independant Armed Forces Federation be recognised and accepted by this Government. Don't put that paper down in the Mess, get discussing it. Speak to your families about it. Have your spouse take the matter up with the Families Federation, the HIVE, the Wives Club and anyone else who this matter affects. Because it does affect them. It could be your family who has to suffer and this matter is one which we should all take very seriously indeed. Don't let up on this, get your troops writing to their local MPs. We need to show how concerned we really are over this matter.
Don't rely on your mates to do it or the RBL, do something yourself. Put pen to paper and let them know how you feel.

It is exactly issues like this which warrant the need for an Independant Armed Forces Federation.
Let us get a petition going folks.Every single serving and ex-service persons must sign the petition and a campaign set up to let this and every other government who get into office, that they do not tamper with pensions and compensation of the armed services.We are an exceptional case when it comes to pensions etc and to kick us in the ba**s is not on.
Yokel said:
From the Telegraph: Here

Christ, what a cynical mean-spirited move. No soldier's widow and children deserve this.
NorthSeaTiger said:

The Bliar says we can E Mail him .. I have.
Why not to send a letter to HM? By the way it is her Armed forces.
What about a mass campaign of spouses and families? If the letters pages of the newspapers were overflowing with letters of outrage, then the campaign will have a high public profile. Also, the Armed Forces Bill is will shortly reach the report stage - examples of mendacity like this will help focus scrutiny on the legislation before Parliament.
Saw this on the next page :evil:

SAS soldier faces legal action threat
By Sean Rayment
(Filed: 09/04/2006)

An SAS soldier who refused to fight in Iraq because he believed that the war was illegal has been threatened with legal action by government lawyers.

Ben Griffin, who left the Special Air Service in June last year after spending three months on operations in Baghdad, has been informed that the Government is considering "civil proceedings" against him after he described the war as "illegal" in a Sunday Telegraph interview.

Mr Griffin, who served in the Parachute Regiment for seven years before joining the SAS in June 2003, became the first member of the elite force to refuse to fight alongside American troops because of his moral convictions.

Although Mr Griffin spoke freely about his private views, and accepted that his refusal to fight had compromised his role as a soldier, he did not reveal any information on SAS tactics or operations.

In a letter to this newspaper, however, the Treasury Solicitors, who act as the Government's legal representatives, claimed that Mr Griffin had breached a binding and life-long "solemn undertaking" not to disclose any events of his career in the SAS without first informing the Ministry of Defence.

The letter states that to breach the confidentiality contract, which all members of the special forces have to sign before they are allowed to join the elite units, is an "actionable civil wrong".

Last night, Mr Griffin said that the suggestion that his article had damaged the SAS was nonsense.

The human rights lawyer, Simon McKay, of McKay Law, who is Mr Griffin's legal representative, said: "The suggestion that Mr Griffin's comments damaged the SAS does not stand up to scrutiny.

"The truth is that this is an attempt to gag Mr Griffin, not because he disclosed details about SAS operations but because he embarrassed the Government."
God I love this government :roll:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

The case for an Armed Forces Federation grows stronger, if only to firmly represent our views to our lords and masters. This sort of emotional blackmail is disgusting, and is verging on immoral.
If Mr Griffin is up against Tone and co. in a court of law, then my £20 is here and ready to flow into his defence fund.

Can we not as Arrse Inc. do exactly what we have done on issues such as the last Tommy or Telic medals and let the MOD feel a bit of feedback?

Frankly this (sadly) typically high-handed attitude from 2nd PUS's side of the house smacks to me of injustice and is moral blackmail. I am disgusted to be associated in any way with a defence ministry which has the gall to make this kind of blanket statement. These penny-pinchers are the true face of the defence establishment in this country, not the willing horses in green. The fact they outnumber the troops and usually have better Ts & Cs and pension rights is a further disgrace. If there superiority in numbers and attitude were matched by asuperior performance then one might have some sympathy. My second £20 is ready for the first widow who has to take on the MOD with its battalions of lawyers.

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