MOD to allow people with HIV to enlist

From anecdotal evidence, and some personal knowledge, a number of ex-squaddies died of AIDS after contracting HIV in Kenya or Belize. A few who had HIV opted for suicide.

If that wasn't bad enough, some wives and girlfriends were also infected.

Given the alarmingly high rate of ordinary STDs in some battalions, I'd be very surprised if a lot of blokes didn't also catch HIV in Germany and the UK. Even when HIV infection was a well understood risk, STDs from unprotected sex were considered funny and earned bragging rights.
still amazes me when I travel to places like Lagos or harcourt, and a lot of the yanks/brits/saffers/europeans are piling into the local nightfighters like it is going out of fashion, then heading off home to the family afterwards.
 

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I'm not an optimist. I gave you the textbook answer.

I could also have said that the chances of an HIV+ British soldier being deployed on ops and taken prisoner are about a ten billion to one against, and that it was a silly question in the first place.
I was thinking more in terms of a situation similar to the matelots who were detained by the Iranians, a fairly mundane tasking which got out of hand. Given the amount of time that diplomacy took in that situation, the person could become a casualty very quickly without his/her meds. If that resulted in a death then the situation gets even more complicated.
 
I was thinking more in terms of a situation similar to the matelots who were detained by the Iranians, a fairly mundane tasking which got out of hand. Given the amount of time that diplomacy took in that situation, the person could become a casualty very quickly without his/her meds. If that resulted in a death then the situation gets even more complicated.

I don't know the answer. My understanding is that an HIV patient usually has 10 years plus before developing AIDS. Possibly a period without medication wouldn't be ideal, but also not a crisis. If somebody was denied their tablets, they might be able to resume them later and get the viral load back down to safe levels.

If an HIV+ soldier wants to be deployed, there will presumably be a risk assessment and possibly a waiver to sign.

The same argument could be made about malaria tablets. I'm guessing the answer would be that if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined.
 
When I was involved in a pretty vicious fight, involving a fair amount of blood splatter, busted knuckles etc, I was put on ARVs.
Terrible - like having a hangover without the drinking.
However, that was a one-month prophylaxis dosage, not a day-to-day routine,
So I'm sure the meds needed to get to u - u are less of an embuggerance.
Maybe it was the buggerance that got us into this trouble in the first place..
 
I don't know the answer. My understanding is that an HIV patient usually has 10 years plus before developing AIDS. Possibly a period without medication wouldn't be ideal, but also not a crisis. If somebody was denied their tablets, they might be able to resume them later and get the viral load back down to safe levels.
The time taken for development of AIDS from HIV infection may range from 6 months (very rare) to 15 years.

Saffer footballer Sinothi Mthalane was playing top-flight in April one year, dead by September.
 

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Lovely, just what the military needs, gay WOKE BAME BLM LGBTXYX & snowflakes seeing off the queens enemy's, with the added attraction of AIDS, WTF are the knobs in MOD main building, and the CS paper shufflers in white hall thinking. What happened to the square jawed foul mouthed dealers of instant death that typified the British fighting man, and made the queens Enemy's tremble, now we have F-ing snowflakes with attitude, a virus, poofs, and lumpy jumpers at the sharp end.

British Soldiers by their very description, and tradition are/ were hard faced tough fit arseh0les, anything else just will not cut it, the Russians and Chinese will be laughing all the way to the french coast...eventually.
Thank F*** for the Air force & navy.

I know, i'm a dinosaur, a BAOR dribbiling old fart, We had an army of 137,000 back in the days of the red menace, that has not gone away, neither has the Chinese threat, and what do we field.....see all the above...god give me strength!

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...as that's my job! ;-)
 
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I was thinking more in terms of a situation similar to the matelots who were detained by the Iranians, a fairly mundane tasking which got out of hand. Given the amount of time that diplomacy took in that situation, the person could become a casualty very quickly without his/her meds. If that resulted in a death then the situation gets even more complicated.

Or in certain countries face harsher treatment once it was realised what the meds were for.
 
Agreed. As you know there is a sliding scale based both on the medical condition and the availability of medical facilities. With mild heart conditions you can be deployed to PJOBs and, say, Germany or the Baltics, but not to say, Mali.

And then there are all the specialist categories for aircrew etc (including single-seat, multi-crew, environmental considerations). There are - or at least were - a surprising number of service personnel still serving with quite serious conditions when I went through the Medical Board process 3 1/2 years ago. I'm sure there are some medics here who can give the background on what used to be A1/G1/Z1 and PULHEEMS.

Normally already serving when biffed.

This appears to accepting those who were sick before they joined.
 
.....the RAF has gone for the gender-neutral term of 'Aviators' finstead of Airmen and Airwomen? Will either of these policies have any impact on our ability to drop bombs on or close with the enemy? No. Grow up.

If that's the case, it rather begs the question of why change the nomenclature?
 
From anecdotal evidence, and some personal knowledge, a number of ex-squaddies died of AIDS after contracting HIV in Kenya or Belize. A few who had HIV opted for suicide.

If that wasn't bad enough, some wives and girlfriends were also infected.

Given the alarmingly high rate of ordinary STDs in some battalions, I'd be very surprised if a lot of blokes didn't also catch HIV in Germany and the UK. Even when HIV infection was a well understood risk, STDs from unprotected sex were considered funny and earned bragging rights.
Kenya has also been a source of HIV in serving personnel.
 
It would appear not 100% safe by a long shot.

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Indeed, and also:

Although we know that having an undetectable viral load will radically reduce the risk of passing HIV on by any route, it’s likely that for injecting drugs and breastfeeding the risk will not be zero.

This is contrary to stating U=U can't pass HIV through sex.

There are numerous other metrics that affect efficacy of ARVs within the confines of civilian life much less being deployed, such as interactions with other medications, nutrition, disease to name a few.

'Undetectable' is both ambiguous and concerning phraseology to me. Stealth bombers and nuclear boats are 'Undetectable' to conventional context specific means of detection ('normal' blood tests to HIV), but these things are still physically there ready to rain death and destruction.

Sorry for concluding with a crap analogy, perhaps.
 
Indeed, and also:

Although we know that having an undetectable viral load will radically reduce the risk of passing HIV on by any route, it’s likely that for injecting drugs and breastfeeding the risk will not be zero.

This is contrary to stating U=U can't pass HIV through sex.

There are numerous other metrics that affect efficacy of ARVs within the confines of civilian life much less being deployed, such as interactions with other medications, nutrition, disease to name a few.

'Undetectable' is both ambiguous and concerning phraseology to me. Stealth bombers and nuclear boats are 'Undetectable' to conventional context specific means of detection ('normal' blood tests to HIV), but these things are still physically there ready to rain death and destruction.

Sorry for concluding with a crap analogy, perhaps.

Are you a doctor? A virologist? Or just a cünt?
 
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