MoD "striving" to ensure Afghan troops a postal vote

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MoD "striving" to ensure Afghan troops a postal vote
Apr 6 2010 By Matt McKenzie

THE Government said today it is ``striving" to ensure that British troops in Afghanistan can vote by post in the General Election.

Defence minister Baroness Taylor of Bolton said at question time that her department was working with the Ministry of Justice and the Electoral Commission to enable the armed forces to vote.

``We are striving to expedite - subject to operational priorities - the delivery of ballot papers to and from Afghanistan for service personnel," she added.
http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-...-afghan-troops-a-postal-vote-61634-26187746/?

``We have encouraged all personnel to register to vote and to vote by proxy."

Lord Astor of Hever, for the Conservatives, said that ``34,000 full-time members of the armed forces are not registered to vote in this election".

And he said that Justice minister Michael Wills had admitted there was ``no guarantee" that all votes from Afghanistan would reach Britain in time.

``What measures will the Government take to ensure all service votes are counted?" he asked.

Lady Taylor said that the Electoral Commission had designed ``a bespoke registration form" which was being given to service personnel in Afghanistan.

She added: ``Special arrangements are being made to despatch ballot papers and indeed to return them as quickly as possible - all, of course, subject to operational requirements."

The Government has previously said that it will attempt to use supply planes to fly ballot papers to and from Afghanistan.
 
#3
I remember the last time in 2005 and they didn't bother then, what makes anyone think they will this time?
 
#5
The government knows there are few votes coming from the military. Just because you are expected to defend democracy doesnt mean this government will allow you to take part in it.

Mugabe would blush at some of the tricks going on in UK.
 
#6
Why don't people just register to vote by proxy? That way there is no additional burden added to an already stretched logistic chain; nor is there an issue of individuals being otherwise engaged and unable to vote! I suspect that most service personnel who aren't registered to vote are just not bothered. The best thing the MoD can do is to educate people how to register and not to concentrate on gimmicks that will probably fail.
 

Cold_Collation

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#7
Hm. Recall a conversation with a young infanteer just out of basic at about the time of the last election.

Spent quite a bit of time disabusing him of the idea he had that as a serving member of the armed forces he was obliged to vote for the government of the day. He went away quite angry - and not at me...
 
#8
In 1945 we had troops scattered all over the planet and very limited air transport, but we still managed to let them all vote.

Mind you, Hitler did the country less damage than Gordon Brown.
 
#9
Horridlittleman said:
Why don't people just register to vote by proxy? That way there is no additional burden added to an already stretched logistic chain; nor is there an issue of individuals being otherwise engaged and unable to vote! I suspect that most service personnel who aren't registered to vote are just not bothered. The best thing the MoD can do is to educate people how to register and not to concentrate on gimmicks that will probably fail.
Well last time there was an election all my family lived abroad as expats and I had no one whom I could call upon to vote on my behalf. Is that a simple enough answer for you?
 
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Horridlittleman said:
Why don't people just register to vote by proxy? That way there is no additional burden added to an already stretched logistic chain; nor is there an issue of individuals being otherwise engaged and unable to vote! I suspect that most service personnel who aren't registered to vote are just not bothered. The best thing the MoD can do is to educate people how to register and not to concentrate on gimmicks that will probably fail.
Well last time there was an election all my family lived abroad as expats and I had no one whom I could call upon to vote on my behalf. Is that a simple enough answer for you?
 

elovabloke

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#11
Horridlittleman said:
Why don't people just register to vote by proxy? .
Because its not an option for some and lets try and remember that there are service personnel all over the world that might like to have a vote. This is not a new problem and still the government of the day refuse to sort it.

The PM gave the country a direct undertaking that the Justice Minister would have a system in place for all members of the forces and families to be able to vote at the next election (PMQs 10 Mar 2010 - 1st question)
 
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naked_mole_rat said:
Horridlittleman said:
Why don't people just register to vote by proxy? That way there is no additional burden added to an already stretched logistic chain; nor is there an issue of individuals being otherwise engaged and unable to vote! I suspect that most service personnel who aren't registered to vote are just not bothered. The best thing the MoD can do is to educate people how to register and not to concentrate on gimmicks that will probably fail.
Well last time there was an election all my family lived abroad as expats and I had no one whom I could call upon to vote on my behalf. Is that a simple enough answer for you?
It is not the expats who are an issue. You have an established air, land and sea line of communication that is not subject to prioritisation of its limited space.

Edited for poor speeeeelling
 
#13
Last time I tried to vote by proxy, which was under the current government, I came home to a phone message from the local (Labour) consitituency office telling me how I'd applied too late. I f**king well hadn't.

You've not seen the last of this yet.
 
#14
elovabloke said:
Horridlittleman said:
Why don't people just register to vote by proxy? .
Because its not an option for some and lets try and remember that there are service personnel all over the world that might like to have a vote. This is not a new problem and still the government of the day refuse to sort it.

The PM gave the country a direct undertaking that the Justice Minister would have a system in place for all members of the forces and families to be able to vote at the next election (PMQs 10 Mar 2010 - 1st question)
My bold. Do you really believe the man who has lied in parliament. Or would you rather ensure that by using an established way of voting you can have your legitimate say in the elections? I don't know the figures but I would assume (yes I know what they say about assuming) that the majority of service personnel, and their families if serving overseas, have the ability to use a proxy.

I am not saying that there should not be a system in place to allow people to vote in any way they see fit. However I look at it practically in that a politicians word is generally worthless and if people want to vote they should do what they already can not what is 'promised' to happen!
 

elovabloke

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#15
Horridlittleman said:
You have an established air, land and sea line of communication that is not subject to prioiritisation of its limited space.
:? :? :? :? :?
 

elovabloke

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#16
Horridlittleman said:
Do you really believe the man who has lied in parliament.
No I don't (even though it was n live TV), which is why some on here are pursuing this with the Justice Minister.

We are not a third world country, many other countries have solved the problem. I was never happy having to give my vote to someone else and there may be more out there feeling the same.
 

ancienturion

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#17
I suppose the possibility of HM Forces votes not being returned would not have anything to do with the fact that such votes might not favour the present Government incumbents, would it?

Cynical?

Moi?
 
#18
elovabloke said:
Horridlittleman said:
You have an established air, land and sea line of communication that is not subject to prioiritisation of its limited space.
:? :? :? :? :?
Apologies. Expats are not sbject to the same prioritisation of the limited space. Does the FOB choose water, rations, ammunition or some ballot boxes and a crew of PSC to monitor the voting! :roll:
 
#19
elovabloke said:
Horridlittleman said:
Do you really believe the man who has lied in parliament.
No I don't (even though it was n live TV), which is why some on here are pursuing this with the Justice Minister.

We are not a third world country, many other countries have solved the problem. I was never happy having to give my vote to someone else and there may be more out there feeling the same.
No we are not a third world country (despite the best efforts of the current imbeciles) and I am not arguing that we should have to put up with a second rate (or non-existent) service. But the liklihood of something being put in place in the next month is low and as such if people really want their vote to even happen they may well have to trust a proxy. This whole process of sorting something out should have been happening over a year ago!
 
#20
Some kind of irony here isn't there?

We go abroad and enable elections in foreign lands only to be told that "someone"............ "might"..........."expedite".............our right to vote?????????
 

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