MoD - Security "Own Goal" for 3000 Veterans in NI.

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  1. I heard about this on Tuesday - hoping it would not hit the media - but it has !!!!

    "NI armed forces veterans security fear over letter"

    BBC News - NI armed forces veterans security fear over letter

    If you think you are affected then ring the number given to find out. Better to be safe than sorry !!

  2. I hear the Pte Golden is outraged at this leak and has written in the strongest terms possible to Sir Jackson.
  3. Effectively UDR soldiers have been set up for murder.

    Its not good enough that a few words of apology should be the end of the matter,the fact is this horrendous "mistake" will see men murdered in the coming days.

    The useless police service cannot protect themselves nevermind anyone else.
  4. Stop with the melodrama you out of date prat. Not a single person will be murdered because of this incident.

    Firstly there has been no UDR for 18 years, secondly it is not just former Home Service personnel effected by this. My dad left the armed forces after 28 years (not UDR or RIR) in 1990 & he received the apology letters for this incident before he even received the tainted envelope itself.
  5. My bro-in-law recieved the same letter and he's not concerned.
  6. "Firstly there has been no UDR for 18 years"...and? You think that means the scum would'nt murder ex members.It really shows what a prat you are in your idiotic naivety or perhaps it is stupidity.

    If your theory is correct why has there been a string of "Ex UDR" moved from their homes under threat. Who threatened them the boy scouts?

    I think you will find ex soldiers and RUC officers living in areas like South Armagh and relying on a non existent police force to protect them it is hardly a melodrama,but what would you know....clampet.
  7. Either he hasn't got to grips with his job yet, if he doesn't know who SPVA are, or he's trying to deflect any criticism away from himself.
  8. Could have been worse. A few years back there were a load of squaddies passports sent to a civvie address in Ulster instead of an Admin office - Oooppps! :)
  9. Did Martin McGuinness get one? He should have, he was on the payroll long enough.
  10. Dissidents in threat to ex-UDR soldiers

    Friday, 19 February 2010

    Over a dozen former members of the Ulster Defence Regiment in the Mid Ulster area have been warned that they are being targeted by dissident republicans.

    Ten of the former soldiers met the PSNI’s divisional commander for the area Superintendent Brian Kee in Cookstown on Wednesday to discuss the latest threat to their safety.

    It is understood the former UDR men have been under surveillance by dissident republicans since late last year and one has now moved to Scotland because of the stress caused to his family by the threat.

    Another has been moved from his home under the SPED scheme but his new address is understood to have been discovered by the dissidents.

    Willie Frazer, who attended the Cookstown meeting with Ulster Unionist councillor Trevor Wilson, said the development underlined the continuing danger from dissident republicans and the Government’s failure to protect those who had served their country.

    “Some of these men have served Britain for 25 years and now they’re being told they can’t even have a firearm again to protect themselves and their families.

    “The most they’ve been promised is what the PSNI calls passing attention from a mobile patrol if they have one in the area near their homes.

    It’s absolutely scandalous,” the FAIR founder claimed.

    Read more: Dissidents in threat to ex-UDR soldiers - Local & National, News -
  11. I think they would have made sure he got the blank brown envelope minus any stamps.
  12. And have those people been moved as a result of this incident? If that's the case then it's been bloody quick!

    I have not said that members or even former members of the armed forces, RUC or PSNI have not been threatened, but what I am saying is that no-one will be threatened by this incident, & you are just highlighting what a melodramatic prat you are by quoting incidents not related to this media non story.
  13. It appears you have NO argument but abuse and supposition backed up by No evidence.

    The fact of the matter is the Post Office is riddled with republican activists and sympathisers, with recent developments in Ulster it is total folly to suggest terrorists will ignore the gift of such intelligence.

    I was showing your contribution to some people in our victims group which consists of RUC/UDR families,all I can say is come over to Armagh and speak to us melodramatic prats.....I look forward to it sonny boy.
  14. I suppose this is also the views of a "melodramatic prat"

    Last week's riots in Northern Ireland could be the harbinger of a new wave of republican terrorism, with dissident groups recruiting youths who feel betrayed by Stormont, says Olga Craig

    It was a brief verbal exchange that spoke volumes. By a burned-out car that still smouldered, its blackened bonnet strewn with broken bottles that the night before had been fashioned into lethal Molotov cocktails and hurled at police officers, the pair stood face to face, only inches apart. One, grey-haired and balding, 6ft 4in with a distinctly age-stooped gait, folded his arms across his chest and narrowed his eyes in a flinty glare. The other, a swaggering teenager in a hoodie, his face swathed in a Manchester United scarf to conceal his identity, stared straight back. "Shove off, old man," he said mockingly. "Sure, you sold out your community. Just so that the likes of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness could parade about in posh suits and sit up in Stormont. What do they care about the Ardoyne now? You lot don't speak for us any more. Why don't you just f––– off.''

    It wasn't the response the older man, Bobby Storey, had expected. Nor the reaction to which he was accustomed. Storey, a veteran IRA man, a legendary godfather of terror in the nationalist heartland of north Belfast, is not a man many would challenge.

    Known in paramilitary parlance as "The Enforcer", Storey served 18 years for gun attacks on the Army. In 1983 he was among 38 Provisionals who escaped from Northern Ireland's Maze prison – the largest jailbreak in British history. Maudlin republican ballads eulogise his terrorist exploits, and his portrait glares down from the gable walls of republican west Belfast.

    In short, among the nationalist community, when Bobby Storey, in his trademark low, menacing voice, says jump, the required response is: "How high?"

    Here, however, in the riot-scarred streets of Ardoyne, the young pretender in his hoodie and mask was far from intimidated. All week he had led locals, some as young as eight, in pitched battles against the police – hurling stones, bricks and home-made grenades.

    Bristling with bravado, he jabbed a stubby finger into Storey's chest and told him: "We rule our own roost here, Storey. Back off. Nobody cares what you think."

    This was not just the common confrontation of age and youth one witnesses in Northern Ireland's tribal sectarian strongholds. Instead this was the IRA's dissident offspring telling the veteran forefathers of Northern Ireland's Troubles that they no longer commanded respect. That their word was no longer law. That the day to which Sinn Féin's time-honoured slogan, Tiocfaidh ár lá ("Our day will come") refers had been and gone – and a new generation are preparing to have theirs.

    Today, the republican men of violence who orchestrated the terror campaign that punctuated the Seventies and Eighties are respected ministers and MLAs (Members of the Legislative Assembly) in the Province's fledgling government. The men of war now speak the language of peace. Except the dissidents are not listening. And it is the shadowy "new-style" IRA who have whipped up passions among disaffected youngsters in north Belfast, where unemployment is still high and allegiances to a 32-county united Ireland are still an impassioned aim.

    Leaders from the Real and Continuity IRA run regular training camps in counties Louth and Monaghan in Eire, where a new generation of terrorists eagerly learn the lessons and logistics of terrorism. As one senior security source points out: "We know the IRA dissidents are plotting a major bombing campaign to derail the peace process. And to do that they need to win over hearts and minds in the nationalist community. So they've come into Ardoyne to ferment unrest and dissent.

    "Intelligence chiefs have warned ministers that splinter groups like the Real and Continuity IRA are on the verge of a wave of killings. We believe a new generation of republican fanatics are planning a campaign. The hardcore are in their twenties and they are building bombs from designs pioneered by the PIRA. Recent bombings, like the bridge at Cullyhanna, show they are overcoming their technical problems with detonators. Our big fear is an attempt to emulate the 1984 Brighton bomb attack. And those preparing for the Conservative conference in Birmingham in October have factored the threat into their security preparations."

    For Sinn Féin and the IRA veterans, the past week has been their worst nightmare. For Gerry Adams, Sinn Féin's president, and Martin McGuinness, the Province's second minister, the ability to deliver peace has been paramount. If the republican community no longer reveres and respects their word, their mandate, as the voice of nationalism, is diminished. And with it their hold on power.

    Initially, Sinn Féin sent north Belfast MLA Gerry Kelly – a hardened Provo who received two life sentences for bombing the Old Bailey and who helped negotiate the Good Friday Agreement, under the terms of which he was freed from jail – to quell the rioting. But when he was met with derision and, according to rioters, "had to run away with his tail between his legs", the party shipped in hard man Storey. He, however, fared little better. When he tried to tug a balaclava from one rioter's face, telling him contemptuously: "You're hiding behind a mask. Sure, you're a disgrace to a proud neighbourhood," he was told to "f––– off".

    As the mob rampaged through the streets, veteran IRA men, their admonishments falling on deaf ears, could only shake their heads in despair. While they had caused death and destruction with "an ArmaLite in one hand and a ballet box in the other," their grandsons were learning early lessons of conflict. This time with home-made bombs in one hand and a mobile phone, with which to photograph their antics and post them on YouTube, in the other.

    The night before, a mob had surrounded a lone police Land Rover that had become separated from its convoy. In scenes that were chillingly reminiscent of the murder of two soldiers 22 years ago, who were dragged by a mob from their car during an IRA funeral and later shot, they pounded on the vehicle's doors and windows, swarming over it as they tried to drag the officers away. As Lord Morrow, a Democratic Unionist Party MLA said the next day: "They were circling the Land Rover like wolves around a meat wagon. This wasn't riot control, this was a riot out of control.''

    By Thursday, 80 officers had been injured and the force was coming under criticism for its softly-softly tactics. In one ugly moment, a masked rioter climbed on to the corrugated iron roof of a shop and dropped a breeze block on to the head of a woman police officer. As she lay dazed and wounded while her fellow officers administered first aid, the rioters cheered and pelted her with stones. "They were like a pack of cannibals," her devastated father said the next day as he visited her in hospital. "My daughter just wanted to serve her community. They would have killed her if they could. They laughed and jeered as she lay injured. They even stoned the ambulance that came for her."

    By Thursday the rioting had spread across the Province, with violence on the streets of Derry, Lurgan and Armagh. In Lurgan, masked men from the fiercely republican Kilwilkie estate poured cans of petrol over a Dublin-bound train. When one panic-stricken community worker pleaded with them, saying that there were women and children on board, he was told: "F––– 'em. Let 'em burn."

    In deep shock and terrified he would be the victim of a revenge attack, he told the media the next day: "There were boy scouts, old ladies, babies on that train. But those madmen didn't care. They just wanted to kill. They wanted blood on their hands. What on earth have we come to?''

    By the end of the week, police were anxious to reassure the public that a price would be paid. In the offices of the police Public Order Unit, Detective Chief Inspector Alan Little and 20 of his officers pored over more than 100 hours of surveillance footage and 1,000 photographs, identifying rioters. By now 14 had been arrested and some of Ardoyne's streets were back under police control. "Anyone who is recognisable can rest assured we will be paying them a visit," he said. "There are going to be arrests and there are going to be charges. We want to put together the best possible evidence to put before the courts. We've already got another 200 suspects."

    This weekend the streets of north Belfast are quieter, although the rioters have boasted they will be back. The Orange Order insists it has always consulted Ardoyne residents about routes for its parades, and say it has been made the scapegoat for the violence. "Even Gerry Adams acknowledges we did everything we could to ensure we didn't encroach on nationalist territory," one insisted. "This is a republican problem. This is about a new generation of terrorists being recruited by hard-line dissidents. The police and Gerry Adams know that. What we want to know is what are they going to do about it.''

    By nightfall on Friday, only a handful of rioters were still roaming the streets. Grouped together in front of a parade of shops they swapped mobile phone images and posted their latest snaps on social networking sites.

    "We need to be better organised next week," one confided. "Adams and McGuinness can whine all they like. They're yesterday's men. They have no stomach left for the fight. Neither have our fathers. They are old, tired men, ground down by 30 years of war. We are just being blooded for the next 30."