MOD says sorry to gay personnel

#1
'Armed Forces reflect society shocker!'

A spokesman has said sorry because the military turfed out gays in the 50s, 60s and 70s. As I recall, they weren't too well tolerated in much of civvy street at the time either.

This from the BBC:

Wing Commander Phil Sagar, who runs the armed forces joint equality and diversity training centre, and advises on government policy, said: "Of course we're sorry for anyone who's suffered personal trauma."
The compensation lawyers will love this..

Robert Ely, had reached the rank of Warrant Officer First Class in the Parachute Regiment but was thrown out of the services 21 years ago when his sexual orientation was discovered.
Mortar Platoon?
 
#3
ViroBono said:
The compensation lawyers will love this..

Robert Ely, had reached the rank of Warrant Officer First Class in the Parachute Regiment but was thrown out of the services 21 years ago when his sexual orientation was discovered.
Mortar Platoon?
So does that mean all WO2's are Second Class and not Class Two's?

(awaits incoming! :D )
 
#4
When I read that story earlier I cringed. I'm sure that there were injustices, as there have been throughout history regarding a whole host of things, but I'm just not comfortable with judging yesteryear's decisions (which echoed the social attitudes of the time) using the social attitudes of today.

I think that it's wrong that governments today are expected to apologise for things that happened tens and sometimes hundreds of years ago as national attitudes and norms of behaviour, as with individuals, change over time.
 
#5
Gays reply: Why that's just super of you, thank you. I've come over all a-flutter.
 
#6
At the end of the day they were squaddies (well the Army ones at least) and sorry won't cut it; give them a nice fat cheque and they will fcuk off happy and will not care if the head poo ba is sorry or not.
 
#7
Caveman in wife club death shocker!!!

The govt would like to apologise sincerely for not putting enough precautions in place 10000 years ago, whic lead to a disproportionate number of female cave dwellers being beaten to death with clubs.
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#8
ViroBono said:
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This from the BBC:

Wing Commander Phil Sagar, who runs the armed forces joint equality and diversity training centre, and advises on government policy, said: "Of course we're sorry for anyone who's suffered personal trauma."
My bold
Unless that trauma is being blown up,seeing mates killed and badly injured
Then you can just get on your bike and do one with no help

BTW
Wasn't it illegal to be a practising homosexual in civvy street in the 50 & 60's

Also if it was illegal to be gay in the armed forces and you join is that not illegal enlistment?
 
#9
Is this going to turn into another gay bashing thread FFS, realy just leave it will you yes there are gays serving yes we are a minority (note i am out now) but does it realy matter if your gay or straight it should about being if there a good egg or a waste of skin.

Straight or Gay we all serve, and bleed if shoot at or bombed.
 
#10
When will we start drawing a line under what happened in the past.

Learn from our "mistakes" but don't fall on your sword because we upheld the contract of the day.

Whether its being Gay or getting pregnant you knew the contract said no. Now times have moved on lets sue the company for wrongdoing.

Quote fm Robert Ely (Apparently) "For me, compensation now is the only way to end it. In the past I haven't been a person to want compensation. Now I do. Now I do." To get to WO1 in the maroon machine must in the 70s & 80s must have hid it well and been good at what he did, just a bit complacent in last 12 months of service.

I didn't get the pocketmoney that kids today do, can I claim for that? Its left huge emotional scars don't you know!!

Never had counciling for any of the things seen as part of mil life but still okay (apart from the twitch and occasional rant on Arrse!) There are plenty of more deserving cases out there. Suppose I wont be too popular at the Gay Pride March tommorrow outside the office but hey ho.

Rant over, anyone know any good PC jokes?
 
#11
halo_jones said:
Is this going to turn into another gay bashing thread FFS, realy just leave it will you yes there are gays serving yes we are a minority (note i am out now) but does it realy matter if your gay or straight it should about being if there a good egg or a waste of skin.

Straight or Gay we all serve, and bleed if shoot at or bombed.
It hasn't turned into a gay bashing thread - it's topical. Are 'straight' personnel only allowed an opinion that conforms to the 'norm'. Are you like so many minorities who want equality but jump on anyone who dares to voice their opinions.
 
#12
halo_jones said:
Is this going to turn into another gay bashing thread
Halo,

Its not Gay Bashing its frustration at the system. An individual was asked to leave because he broke the rules of his contract. If he felt wronged he should have challenged it 21 years ago. Why has he waited until now? Because the system is scared to offend anyone that they will pay up.

Personally I couldn't give a monkeys about anyone's personal sexual orientation as long as they take a turn at getting the beers in. :)
 
#13
That was the rule back then, now why should they apologise to the people that broke the rules. Hell i got got caught on some daft rules but o one ever said sorry to me. Being queer and a National Serviceman didn't cut any ice in those days either. It did not matter is you were as bent as £3.00 note you still had to do your two years, still with luck they got into the Navy or Air Force
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
I actually feel sorry for the bloke who had to make the statement. The poor fcuker's been put in a McJob to 'advise the gobment on their equal opportunities' boll0cks. Who'd want a job like that?

He's only saying what the homo's in power want him to, or he's not doing his McJob. I ask you: Wing Commander in charge of poofs and minorities? Wouldn't he prefer to actually command a 'wing'?
 
#15
By all accounts the RN have decided that RN personnel going to the gay pride parade are classed as being on duty and are allowed to claim for travel costs to the event....

That's just so fcuking wrong on so many levels. :x

If they want to go, then go. Just don't do it in my fcuking uniform. You are not representing me or the majority of the RN so don't disgrace the RN like you did last year.
 
#16
I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to the hermasexual gentleman who attempted to chat me up in "Shades Of Green" in 1989. On reflection, I should have been more open minded, tolerant and inclusive, allowing him to nosh on my daddy parts and defile my back box.
Instead, I told him to take his hand off my knee before I snapped it off and rammed it up his jacksy.
I'm so ashamed.
 
#17
the_matelot said:
By all accounts the RN have decided that RN personnel going to the gay pride parade are classed as being on duty and are allowed to claim for travel costs to the event....
the_matelot said:
Appeasement of the highest order..........what next black pride march, Asian pride march, Geordie pride march. Total and utter fekkin bollox a march to 'celebrate' your sexual orientation. It makes my pisss boil.
 
#18
Biped said:
I actually feel sorry for the bloke who had to make the statement. The poor fcuker's been put in a McJob to 'advise the gobment on their equal opportunities' boll0cks. Who'd want a job like that?

He's only saying what the homo's in power want him to, or he's not doing his McJob.
I know the bloke in question and certainly don't feel sorry for him one bit :D

Actually, he's a decent fellow for a crab :wink:

Whether apologies or compensation are right, I am not sure, however as they do smack a little of revisionism. That was then and this is now. As for the PARA WO1, I thought a flexible approach to the utility of your back doors was a pre-requisite in that regiment?
 
#19
the_matelot said:
ViroBono said:
The compensation lawyers will love this..

Robert Ely, had reached the rank of Warrant Officer First Class in the Parachute Regiment but was thrown out of the services 21 years ago when his sexual orientation was discovered.
Mortar Platoon?
So does that mean all WO2's are Second Class and not Class Two's?

(awaits incoming! :D )
Don't talk about Warrent Officers, otherwise Chief_Two will troll this thread...
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
Let's work on some new slogans for the forces then shall we?

Gay Pride in your Country!

Gay Proud to Serve!

Be the Gayest!
 

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