MoD Probes Tube Train Killing

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  1. The Ministry of Defence is conducting an internal inquiry into the role played by an elite army surveillance unit in the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes.

    Whitehall sources have told The Observer that the military investigation has been launched to determine whether 'lessons could be learnt' from the surveillance operation that wrongly identified de Menezes as a suspected suicide bomber. The move is likely to raise questions about the deployment of military personnel on Britain's streets.

    The army unit, composed of members of its Special Reconnaissance Regiment, had been seconded to the Metropolitan police and was working with undercover officers who were monitoring the south London flats in which de Menezes lived.

    The soldiers have also been interviewed by the Independent Police Complaints Commission as part of its investigation into the events that led up to the death of the Brazilian electrician at Stockwell tube station last July. MoD officials and Army officers are said to have 'co-operated fully' with the inquiry. It is not known whether military personnel were interviewed under caution.

    The MoD's own parallel inquiry into the events that led up to the shooting of the innocent 27-year-old will review and examine the procedures and command structures that allowed apparent surveillance failures to occur. The Crown Prosecution Service is deciding whether to bring criminal charges against any of those involved.

    Defence sources said it was hypothetically possible that the soldiers could be disciplined under the military justice system, but only once the CPS had made its decision and police investigation had been completed.

    'If there are lessons to be learnt procedurally from the inquiry they will happen very quickly,' a Whitehall source confirmed. 'We are now awaiting the findings of the [IPCC] report to see whether further action needs to be taken... though it may not be appropriate'.

    One senior counter-terrorism said last night: 'I can't understand why non-police personnel were used to do something that important. They won't know police procedures. If you start using the army on the streets without a proper public debate it will end in disaster.'

    It is believed that none of the plainclothes soldiers, whose regiment was formed only last April and which is based at the SAS headquarters in Hereford, was armed. They have developed specialist surveillance skills in Northern Ireland.

    The IPCC inquiry is expected to focus on a series of communication problems between SO19, the specialist police firearms unit deployed at Stockwell and the surveillance teams. It was a soldier who incorrectly identified de Menezes as an 'IC one male' - the police description for a white man - when he left his flat. During the surveillance operation a soldier is said to have temporarily lost sight of de Menezes as he was relieving himself against a tree.

    The Ministry of Defence said last night it could not comment while the inquiry was ongoing
  2. I damn well hope they had legal representation when they were interviewed. This witch hunt could end up with some serious time being spent at one of Her Majestys facilities.
    Never fall for the old " We just want to have an informal chat about what happened".. There is no such thing

  3. Ah so it's been "confirmed" that it was the Special Reconnaissance Regiment who were involved? - I was always surprised that a bigger fuss wasn't made in the media about the very brief mention of a 'soldier' being attached to the Met team watching the flats.

    An ex fuzz & ex para (one and the same) down my local in London reckoned it was something from 14 int. coy.
  4. Say nothing until you speak to a lawyer. Always good advice.
    Lawyers are like whores; they have their uses, but you don't want your daughter to become one.
    Not a good start for the SRR.
  5. Speak for yourself, I want to enjoy a comfortable retirement that will see my child-rearing investment rewarded! :wink:
  6. Then train her to be an assassin; she'll make plenty of money, and you won't have to feel ashamed about what she does for a living!