MOD Police Expenditure

#1
Don't worry lads you might have to go on Ops with Easy Jet in the near future but someone stumped up the cash for these:

A hi-tech Ministry of Defence (MoD) patrol boat undergoing trials in Devon may be introduced in other navy bases.

The prototype is quicker and more manoeuvrable than other vessels
A hi-tech Ministry of Defence (MoD) patrol boat undergoing trials in Devon may be introduced in other navy bases. The 15m (49ft) customised boat would be used for Royal Navy policing, protection and escort duties at bases in Devonport, Portsmouth and the Clyde.

If the trials are successful another 15 vessels would be commissioned over five years. An MoD spokesman said: "The time is right to upgrade our launches and the technology carried on them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6273562.stm
 
#3
It's MODPlod not the forces and I would suggest the helicopters in Helmand are a higher priority.
 
#4
western said:
It's MODPlod not the forces
Same difference - work for the same people.

western said:
I would suggest the helicopters in Helmand are a higher priority.
Not if someone decides to blow up Ark Royal in Portsmouth harbour. How many helis do you reckon we could buy for the price of 15 dinghys?
 
#5
It really doewsn't matter what the MOD spend money on , and I know they don't spend enough, someone will always have an opinion on something that's more important. I know more helicopters are needed in Afghanistan but more armoured patrol vehicles are needed in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a fact of life that there will never be enough money allocated to buy everything everyone wants. What is needed is for the government to stop sending too many troops to too many conflicts. It's time we realised that we aren't a major world power anymore.
 
#6
jimmys_best_mate said:
western said:
Not if someone decides to blow up Ark Royal in Portsmouth harbour. How many helis do you reckon we could buy for the price of 15 dinghys?
Hello all stations this is subb: sanity check Over.

In line with JSP440, I suggest we take a risk-management based approach here.

Sould we consider the probability of

a. needing medevac in Helmand
VS
b. the Ark Royal getting blown up alongside in UK??

or just ring up and sell the stroy to the Scum??

answers on the insulation on a female spade-connector.......
 
#7
western said:
The prototype is quicker and more manoeuvrable than other vessels
A hi-tech Ministry of Defence (MoD) patrol boat undergoing trials in Devon may be introduced in other navy bases. The 15m (49ft) customised boat would be used for Royal Navy policing, protection and escort duties at bases in Devonport, Portsmouth and the Clyde.
Is that water being disputed by the Iranians? :D
 
#8
subbsonic said:
Sould we consider the probability of

a. needing medevac in Helmand
VS
b. the Ark Royal getting blown up alongside in UK??
I believe the Commander of USS Cole had a similar attitude.

Do you think the chances of Ark Royal being attacked alongside are lower because the MOD Plod and the Andrew security on the ports are high enough to deter attack?

By the same reasoning, we could stop paying for ammo for sentries in the UK and Germany. After all, are you more likely to be in contact in Nuneaton or Afghanistan?
 
#10
Just saw the article on BBC Spotlight
If the trial boat is anything like the 'in-service' variant then it'll be money well spent
Damn thing has a very high top end speed and can almost stop on a man hole cover
Water (?) directional jet powered
Good job, if they get it
But its beens aid before , orders for 15 , time they get into service they will be lucky if 4 are received
 
#11
jimmys_best_mate said:
subbsonic said:
Sould we consider the probability of

a. needing medevac in Helmand
VS
b. the Ark Royal getting blown up alongside in UK??
I believe the Commander of USS Cole had a similar attitude.

Do you think the chances of Ark Royal being attacked alongside are lower because the MOD Plod and the Andrew security on the ports are high enough to deter attack?

By the same reasoning, we could stop paying for ammo for sentries in the UK and Germany. After all, are you more likely to be in contact in Nuneaton or Afghanistan?
Go on you're MODPlod aren't you? It's like reading the RAF Regt thread.
 
#12
there only need 4 as that how many naval bases we will have left soon :(
 
#13
Western - different budget - not transferable - endex
 
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#14
jimmys_best_mate said:
subbsonic said:
Sould we consider the probability of

a. needing medevac in Helmand
VS
b. the Ark Royal getting blown up alongside in UK??
I believe the Commander of USS Cole had a similar attitude.

Do you think the chances of Ark Royal being attacked alongside are lower because the MOD Plod and the Andrew security on the ports are high enough to deter attack?

By the same reasoning, we could stop paying for ammo for sentries in the UK and Germany. After all, are you more likely to be in contact in Nuneaton or Afghanistan?
ha ha thats a MOD plod if i ever heard 1 *crunch * any 1 else hear the bite!
 
#15
me n bee said:
Western - different budget - not transferable - endex
What a strange comment to make
 
#16
Not going to bite Western, it isn't a strange comment, it is straight forward. The MOD Police have their own [civilian] budget and comes out of a complete different money pot.

Kills the debate really.
 
#17
Not at all, all of the money spent by the Govenment comes from the same pot and is then subdivided to the various Departments of Government. In this case the money for the Ministry of Defence is the top level allocation and this in turn is sub divided into the various component parts, the MOD Police merely being a sub function of the Ministry as is the Army.

If we need to go to a broader point, the MOD Police are to the military estate what the RAF Regiment are to operational deployments. They are there to secure locations.

Over the years, again very much like the RAF Regiment, the MOD Police have proved far more efficient at procuring a slice of the Defence Budget than the Army as a result money is spent on them where it could be utilised elsewhere to meet higher priorities.
 
#18
I quite agree that MDP are there to secure locations but apart from the nuclear stations (Berkshire and Scotland) where the customer has no choice but to have armed police officers, elsewhere in the MoD its down to budget holders Co's or heads of establishment what type of policing / security they require. If they want the plod they gotta pay and what with MPGS covering armed stand off roles they can get away without us at Most places. In terms of a customer the Army is a small one probably beat officers at Garrisons around the country, as far as I can remember MDP do not do any armed guarding for the Army due to MPGS and using their own resources. I will give you an example I'm a Sgt at Whitehall our responsibility are the Central Head office buildings (MB OWOB and St Georges Ct) If we get a report of a crime at Horse Guards (Army) over the road that's not life threatening ie a theft we have to say to the caller to report it to the Met or RMP as we do not cover that establishment. Its not right I don't agree but because of money that it what it comes to, we do not police the entire MoD estate only where they pay. Back to the thread I think its about time we have vehicles and equipment designed for us, we are a professional organisation and should be treated as such for too long we were treated with cast offs from the services. Particularly in today's climate you would want the best people and equipment looking after the subs on the Clyde.
 

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#19
Oddly enough, I'm on the side of the Plod on this one. There is a threat to vessels all the time - CND, trident Ploughshares, and other assorted fruitcakes continually attempt to damage nucelar submarines in transit in UK waters. Inshore, they need to be protected by the MoDPlod, and this requires fast vessels. Economically, the damage caused by a couple of nutcases loose on a sub for five minutes, even if armed only with spray paint cans, is far, far, far more than the cost of these patrol craft!

And of course there is the relatively new threat (compared to CND) of islamist (or whatever you care to call it) terrorists. They have tried aircraft, cars, vans, and, off Yemen, boats ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2318031.stm ). Who is to say they won't try that here? Publicity for the MoDPlods could put them off, and that alone is worth a great deal of cash.
 
#20
Sorry mate, I'm not trying to start a MOD Plod bad Army good debate here but I do question the manner in which the whole MOD Estate is polced and secured and the way that it is funded.
 

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