MoD head urged to quit on Chinook

#1
From the BBC

MoD head urged to quit on Chinook

The Ministry of Defence's most senior civil servant has been urged to resign by a senior MP over "blunders" in buying helicopters.
Sir Kevin Tebbit was lambasted by the Commons defence committee about why eight new helicopters worth £259m were grounded due to a procurement problems.
Labour backbencher Alan Williams asked him on Monday: "Don't you think you should consider your position?"
Sir Kevin said the way new kit was ordered had now been improved.
The Chinook helicopters were grounded because they could be a risk to fly in cloudy weather because the software which enabled them to do this could not be properly tested.
Chinooks are used for ferrying troops, artillery and supplies to and from the battlefield.
'Fiasco'
The committee also criticised the MoD over the lack of trained pilots which had grounded Apache helicopters and the equipment shortage which meant 24, not 33, Lynx helicopters were sent to Iraq.
Sir Kevin said the problems should not be compared as they were all very different.
He said nobody had known the next military operation would be in Iraq and he suggested people should be pleased the Apaches were now in Iraq.
At the committee questions session, Mr Williams branded the problems a "fiasco" and "downright absolute incompetence".
"You sound like British Rail saying it is the wrong kind of snow," he said. "The British Army is supposed to be able to operate anywhere in the world it is needed."
Fellow backbencher Gerry Steinberg said the mistakes had undermined the UK's ability to act in Iraq.
He said: "You balls up the Apaches, you also messed up the Chinooks, you also messed up the Lynx. Three acquisitions messed up.
"Every time you come to us you tell us it will not happen again but it does happen again."
Sir Kevin said he was sorry for the problems but added: "There is nothing I can do to put it right overnight."

I agree this twat should go. Someone has to be accountable and at the end of the day if you are in charge then the buck stops with you!
 
#3
Tw@ts want the pay, they should accept the responsibility. He should go.
 
#6
Ord_Sgt said:
From the BBC

MoD head urged to quit on Chinook

The Ministry of Defence's most senior civil servant has been urged to resign by a senior MP over "blunders" in buying helicopters.
Sir Kevin Tebbit was lambasted by the Commons defence committee !
Wonder if he's any relation to old Norman? Good news is finally, MPs are getting shitty (but not shitty enough IMHO) with these *********.

Anything with technology, from guns, radios, thru submarines, helo's, and airframes is totally and completely f*cked up by this organisation. If it was an animal, natural selection would have rendered it extinct by now. Unfortunately, it isn't an animal it's an 'old boys' club.

Go Tebbit GO - and take your fcuking mates Bliar, Broon, and Flunkett with you.
 
#7
Ord_Sgt said:
From the BBC

Chinooks are used for ferrying troops, artillery and supplies to and from the battlefield.
How quaint! Shall we form a square! Haven't these planks seen enough to realise that the entire fecking theatre is the battlefield?
 
#9
Ord_Sgt said:
..he suggested people should be pleased the Apaches were now in Iraq.

You balls up the Apaches...
I'm never averse to seeing a civil servant getting a good slapping - there are several within arms reach of me right now that could do with one. I'm even happier when it's that lanky twat Tebbit. However I have some problems with the quote above. I'm sure that we are pleased that the Apaches were now in Iraq - I'm even more pleased they're not ours! There are no UK Apaches in Iraq.

Second, I wouldn't call the Apache programme a balls up. It delivered what it said more or less on budget and only about six months late - not that bad in the big scheme of things.

PS - Our Kevin is definitely not related to Norman. Whereas Norman took hours to be rescued from the wreckage of his Brighton Hotel, Kevin would have been out in seconds, slipping through the smallest gaps in the rubble - facilitated by his lack of spine.
 
#10
Johnny_Ludlow said:
Second, I wouldn't call the Apache programme a balls up. It delivered what it said more or less on budget and only about six months late - not that bad in the big scheme of things.
Except the civvies have not trained the pilots, they cannot fire HELLFIRE from both pylons and most of the airframes are currently in storage - but apart from that not TOO bad...

I was driving towards Salisbury two weeks ago and actually saw a Longbow with rotors turning - on the ground, mind....

:roll:
 
#11
His boss, TCH, took a kicking at defence questions and was compared to Lord Lucan:

Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth and Horncastle) (Con): In the memorial week of the charge of the Light Brigade, is it not clear that by invading Iraq the Secretary of State has shown himself to be as stupid as Lord Lucan?
Outstanding!!! :twisted:

Also from defence questions:

Brown-noser of the week (or perhaps that should be brown-shirter):
Mr. Stephen McCabe (Birmingham, Hall Green) (Lab): How many of our personnel in Iraq does my right hon. Friend estimate are buoyed up by the constant attacks on British policy? Can a modern army win a war, particularly a terrorist war, if its mission is constantly undermined by attacks from its own Parliament and in its own press? Is not that the real question that some people on the home front should be asking themselves?
The real question we should be asking ourselves is how Bliar and TCH can look at themselves in the mirror in the morning!

Mr. Soames: At the very time when the exceptional qualities of British troops are needed as never before, the Government appear hellbent on reducing the numbers of fighting men in the British Army. Does that not reveal the utter folly of the Government's plans to disband four infantry battalions? Does it not further explain the profound anxiety expressed by Members on both sides of the House at such an untimely and foolish proposal?
What drugs is he on?
Annabelle Ewing (Perth) (SNP): The Prime Minister said last week that the Black Watch and the redeployment to northern Iraq were crucial to the US army effort. My constituents in Perth, where the Black Watch has its regimental headquarters, want to know why the Black Watch is crucial to the US army but not as important to this Government, who are planning, when it returns home, to amalgamate it out of existence?

Mr. Ingram: The hon. Lady has it wholly wrong. If she had heard the earlier answer about why the transformation and rebrigading of resources is under way, she would know that I speak to many serving soldiers—young soldiers and young officers—who are looking very much to the future. I heard one of her colleagues saying on television yesterday that the role of the Scottish regiments under an independent Scotland would be to serve peacekeeping purposes. Whom does she think would create the peace? Someone must create that environment. That is what our troops do—they are trained to war-fight and to peace-keep. Under an independent Scotland, they would be in the second league.
I suspect the soldiers and officers in question are looking more forward to their pensions, as we all know that the only answer the military gives to lying sh!ts like Ingram is the answer they want to hear!

Army as a human shield (yet again):
Mr. Nicholas Soames (Mid-Sussex) (Con): How can the Minister explain a system to the House of Commons that allows Territorial Army soldiers to deploy to a theatre of war without adequate weapons training? Is it not wholly unacceptable and likely to be profoundly dangerous? What steps is he taking to ensure that that is urgently rectified and that such astonishing neglect of duty cannot happen again? Which high official or senior serviceman, regardless of rank, is to be held to account for such a deplorable and unforgivable failure?

Mr. Caplin: First, I pay tribute to all our reserve forces, wherever they are serving. They have done a fantastic job.
More of the same next month! I have reached the conclusion that the only suitable fate for TCH and his cabal is that employed after the Indian Mutiny - strap them to cannons and light the fuse (or pull the lanyard). :p
 
#12
Stephen McCabe , a Brown noser? 8O

Oh you don't surprise me lololol

Nice to see that Stephen has never, and will never grow a pair. Never mind, he'll be on the dole come May 5th. :D
 
#13
McCabe - majority of 6,648 on a 57% turnout down from a majority of 8,420 on a turnout of 71%.

My money is on the Tories winning this one as disaffected Labourites flood to the Lib Dems.

Whatever happens, the only brown-nosing McCabe will be doing will be at the local jobseekers' office!
 
#14
On the last council election Lib Dems swept the Hall Green ward , with Wilkes, O'Brien and Paula Smith taking the 3 slots with a comfortable majority.

I know the Hall Green team haven't stopped working since.
 
#15
Today's 'Commons Sketch' from The Times has more on TCH's abysmal performance:

The Secretary of State for the Defence . . . of Iraq
By Ann Treneman

THERE seems to be a plot in the House of Commons to undermine Defence Questions.

MPs from all sides of the House are fighting an admittedly completely uncoordinated campaign to eradicate the domestic agenda. By the end of the session, it was in tatters. Yesterday, all roads led to Basra, Baghdad and the Triangle of Death. This is not good news for the Government.

Normally, of course, it backs what it calls Iraqisation. But that is of Iraq itself. Not of the House of Commons. Geoff Hoon is now, for all intents and purposes, the Secretary of State for the Defence of Iraq. In this new role, he continues with many of his extraordinary presentational skills, including his trademark ability to contradict himself most of the time.

Yesterday Mr Hoon showed that, if anything, he is getting better at this.

At first, he noted that the Black Watch were heading north for what sounded entirely tedious reasons. He talked about “extra tasks” that needed to be carried out. This made it sound as if there had been some sort of glitch in the washing-up rota. Wash or dry? You decide.

He then alluded that things could be a bit worse than that. The security situation in Iraq was, he said, “difficult”. Difficult? Surely this is a word for a recalcitrant toddler or a tricky maths question. But, a short time afterwards, Mr Hoon spoke of a terrible struggle in which some would reduce Iraq to a “state of terrifying anarchy”. We had gone from routine to apocalyptic in less than a half-hour. Mr Hoon had not changed his facial expression once on this perilous journey.

It was a relief when Sir Peter Tapsell rose from the Tory benches. He is 74, and every part of him is rotund. There was a little roar to mark the occasion of his standing up. Sir Peter acknowledged this.

“In the memorial week of the Charge of the Light Brigade,” he began, “is it not clear that by invading Iraq, the Secretary of State has shown himself to be as stupid as Lord Lucan?” The Speaker intervened.

“Order! order!” he said, “the Honourable Gentleman should know better.” Indeed, he did, for Sir Peter’s face was now split by a wide smile. He was thrilled with the admonishment and began his next sentence.

“I withdraw the word stupid and replace it with . . .”

“Order, order!” shouted the Speaker.

But Sir Peter was already giving birth to his next word. “Uninformed!” he trumpeted.

“Order!” shouted the Speaker to disguise his defeat.

Mr Hoon (or was it Lucan?) leaned forward at the dispatch box. “I know the Conservative Party revels in glorious failure. And long may it continue!” He sat down looking pleased for, after all, there were much worse things than being uninformed.
Copyright The Times
 
#16
Lostnfound said:
[quote) Have I missed something here? When did we deploy Apaches to Iraq?
They're with the 82nd Airborne. Some of Geronimo's Mescaleros and Chiricahuas. But they only fly when they've been chewin' peyote. :D
 

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