MoD Crackdown on retailers selling ORPs?

#1
Heard around the interweb that the MoD are clamping down on the sale of rat packs through civilian shops (army surplus, ebay etc) with them being raided and similar.

Now, I understand that you aren't _supposed_ to sell them on but they are quite handy things for festivals, camping trips and similar.

The only thing I'm wondering about is why the clamp down all of a sudden and why aren't these supposed to be sold on? As I understand it US MREs can be sold on but only as militaria rather than an intended food stuff so why not ration packs?

Or is the MoD now that underfunded it needs to keep all available rations even if they are from 2002 in the system for actual use 8O
 
#2
Maybe the MOD should sell ORPs as well as the new Action man to raise funds for all the stuff we should have anyway although a lot will have to be sold to even pay for a WMIK.

ORPs are stamped "Not for Resale" and make sure you check the packing date.
 
#3
No doubt the unused Rat-Packs will end up in a Landfill site thereby helping to feed the local rat population... come to think of it, I didn't think that Chavs could be bothered to scavenge.
 
#5
happybonzo said:
No doubt the unused Rat-Packs will end up in a Landfill site thereby helping to feed the local rat population... come to think of it, I didn't think that Chavs could be bothered to scavenge.
No crisps, no White Lightning, Chavs couldn't stomach them, IT NAE FOOD < INNIT?
 
#6
Yes it is true and I know for a fact that there are a number of cases ongoing at the moment whereby individuals have been arrested and these may or may not lead to prosecutions. There are a number of reasons why selling on ORP is illegal and these have been covered on this site on a number of occasions but one of the main issues is that the MOD is responsible for the ration from the time it is produced to the time it is consumed or destroyed. In essence, it could be held responsible if someone ate something that was later found to be unfit for consumption. ORP is regularly examined and if, necessary, product recall procedures put in place or whole batches destroyed. What control is there over the stuff sold on ebay?

The relatively few being kept from exercise for personal use is not the problem it is the blatant fraud and profiteering from a small number of people on ebay that needs to be stamped out.
 
#7
So how are the retailers getting hold of bulk ORP in the first place? Presumably the manufacturer cannot legally sell ORP to any non-MoD customer, and the MoD should be destroying surplus ORP rather than releasing them through Disposals.
 
#8
The_Professor said:
ORPs are stamped "Not for Resale" and make sure you check the packing date.
So how long do they last after that date - I have some issued a year ago and also keep some boil in the bags in my webbing - when should they be binned?

Packing date is one thing, surely a Use By date can be worked out from that?
 
#9
4(T) said:
So how are the retailers getting hold of bulk ORP in the first place? Presumably the manufacturer cannot legally sell ORP to any non-MoD customer, and the MoD should be destroying surplus ORP rather than releasing them through Disposals.
The contractors who produce ORP for the MoD cannot and do not sell to any non-MoD customer although several produce similar products to the civilian market. The MoD does not release ORP to the DSA for sale either if stocks need to be disposed of then a contract is in place to ensure they are appropriately destroyed. The only way retailers can get hold of stocks is from military sources, be it the TA, cadets or military units and that is what needs to be stopped.

Recent cases have also indicated that ORP given to civilians during the flood relief in Gloucester for example have ended on being resold. The problem is that some people believe ORP is free – it is not – and someone is profiteering from selling them.
 
#11
when its nearly out of date give it to the homeless, most are ex squaddies
 
#12
DH24 said:
Now, I understand that you aren't _supposed_ to sell them on but they are quite handy things for festivals, camping trips and similar.
Oh, thats OK then.
 
#13
This isn't a new initiative. About 4 years ago the RMP were in my camp interviewing QM/RQMS/CQMS staff about procedures for issuing and disposing of ORP and all CBRN ancilliaries as the illegal selling of them on Ebay and similar had reached (in their words) 'epidemic proportions across the army'
 
#15
Why?
 

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#16
Right - this is a toughie. We CAN buy them from the manufacturers, but the punter on the street would pay around £20+ per pop for them.

We can buy similar products from other manufacturers, but not boxed up, and you'd pay around £15 per pop, but without half the goodies.

Me, as a retailer, does not buy either type, because the cost to the customer is too prohibitive - why pay £20+ for a day's worth of grub and toilet paper, when you can simply go to Morrisons and buy pretty much the same stuff for around £5 or £6. Some choccy bars, some toilet papers, assorted drinks powders, pre-cooked food etc etc. I'm MORE than happy to sell the packs above to my customers, provided they wish to pay that price, but of course, they aren't.

Now, occasionally, it's known for guys who are serving, leaving the services etc, to find/have a box or two of their issued ration packs left knocking about the place. They have inadvertently not eaten them, or handed them back into stores (DOES ANYONE HAND THIS STUFF BACK IN???), and they want to get rid of them.

Do they throw them away, or do they 'donate' them to a local surplus store, who may 'donate' £5 to that squaddy's favourite charity?

Who the feck is profiteering? Who's the naughty scallywag who's ripping off the MOD? Profiteering, my hairy backside. NOBODY in the years I've been trading in surplus gear has come in with more than 3 one-man packs at a time, so it's not exactly a roaring trade in knocking off ration packs is it?

Why is the MOD liable for out of date ration packs - strikes me as a load of cobblers. IF Sainsbury's sell an out of date item, they can get taken to court, BUT if the MOD did not supply the ration pack to the poisoned person, and in fact, it was a surplus store that did it - the surplus store in question should be held liable, not the MOD. 'Scuse the pun, but I think the MOD have enough on their plate with things like Cheese Possessed and suchlike to be worrying about the odd 1-man ration pack. The point is, if I see more than 20 ration packs being offered to me in a 12 month period, that's one hell of a busy year, and nobody is making a career out of nicking this stuff.

Suffice to say, I'm not flogging it of course - that's illegal and wrong.

Edited to add:

FiveAlpha:

This isn't a new initiative. About 4 years ago the RMP were in my camp interviewing QM/RQMS/CQMS staff about procedures for issuing and disposing of ORP and all CBRN ancilliaries as the illegal selling of them on Ebay and similar had reached (in their words) 'epidemic proportions across the army'
Blimey - wasn't aware it was so bad, but either way - not down my neck of the woods.
 
#18
http://www.westlerfoods.com/Wayfayrer.html

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/wayfayrer-products

These are the ones I tend to buy. They're a lot like the ORPs in terms of the food available, but you always hope the quality of the meat is somewhat higher. Also note the lack of the tooth rotting brick - treacle sponge. I still have some of the boil in the bags left over, I have those, I give my wife the wayfayrer ones. Oh and it's not up there, but I have seen a "corned beef hash", which no doubt will make some of you happy. It made my stomach turn, my skin turn cold and start itching as I flashed back to OTA, eating luke warm corned beef hash and being eaten alive by the midges
 
#20
There are loads for sale on ebay in boxes of 10. My mate works in one of the better known army suplus shops. They buy the end of line stuff from the mod suppliers all still in date but they have to make a sticky label up with all the ingredients on for food labelling regs etc.
And they have had visits from the monkeys when shed loads of rat pack go missing!
KTM
 

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