MOD 'Consultants' on Nearly £4k per Day!

Discussion in 'Strategic Defence & Spending Review (SDSR)' started by Ethel_the_Aardvark, Oct 30, 2011.

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  1. You really couldn't make this up.

    MoD consultants make £5.5m from budget cuts - Telegraph

    I'm particularly pleased that some have them have qualified for 'additional success fees' twice on top of their standard rates of criminal over-charging. I wonder what their definition of 'success' is?

    He's not wrong there.
  2. You only get what you pay for.
  3. Exactly, I'd rather we paid for someone competent, because let's face it, none of the useless ***** with red tabs on their collars have been of any use in the last decade. I just hope that their recommendations actually get acted on, but I have my doubts......
  4. Shall I get the keys? We know these fat, greasy, smug bastards earn this much and continue to whittle away at everything we need in the forces to save money. They don't care what happens to anyone else but themselves. As long as they get their enormous paycheck at the end of the week they're happy, what does it matter if we don't have any ships, planes or soldiers, not as if there's a war going on or anything.
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  5. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    There are two things here, the consultant and teh consultant's fee.

    Consultants, if they work for themselves, more often known as Contractors can easily earn up to 1000 gbp a day, some may get as much as double that. They often don't work all year around as they have short term contracts to cover off issues so once the work (and pay) is finished, they have to eat into their savings whilst looking for another job, in a good market this can take months, in a recession, years.

    Consultants, if they work for big firms like EY, PwC, Accenture will earn a fraction, they'll get a salary much like any other very smart, highly trained, high performing and low drag office worker but the firm will charge between 300 and easily up to 1500 gbp per hour for them. The consultant will not get 300 to 1500, they just get their salary.

    Either way, quality is not expensive, quality is its own value.
  6. What are they actually consulting?

    Because most Sailors, Marines, Soldiers and Airmen can inform the MoD of where we can, could and should save money.
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  7. Agreed, the real scandal is that our high command is too incompetent to do the job without consultants.
  8. Now this sort of practical and revolutionary thinking will get you into trouble. Suppose the idea spread to the police and NHS for example. No. The bureaucrats and lawyers will get you first.
  9. You mean like the 18 yr old Junior Rates that are convinced the answers to all the MOD's financial problems is to double their wages and sack all MOD CS staff?
  10. They could save a bunch and just read ARRSE.
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  11. I didn't say implement the ideas across the board did I?

    Problem we have in this country (as a whole) is we tend to beleive an outsider with a breif case MUST know more than the oik on the shopfloor... and at £4k a day he is listened to.
  12. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    contractor is a grown up term for temp

    consultant is a grown up term for contractor, with the added value of either taking some delivery risk (e.g., if the Mk7 is not bullet proof at 200m to 7.62 short you can sue us for 10x our fee). This sort of contract makes it very attractive to folk that want to cover their arrse.

    The other model consultants advertise is their joined-up-ness. This is actually extremely powerful. A consultancy can do this by having a consultant or team in the client firm at all levels. For the army this would mean, consultants in a pl on Herrick, in a FOB somewhere, at Baston, with the mentoring teams, with the build up training team, at MOD HQ, and a few places inbetween. The consultants would basically act as a clear-easily managed-anonymous-information-pathway where the honest feedback of the tom to the junior consultant in the field would be passed to the senior consultant sitting outside the CGS's office in an instant.

    As a senior consultant I have guys working for me at projects at client site who tell me what does and doesn't work and I pass that directly to my regional or global boss who informs the CEO, from clerk to ceo in three conversations. obviously filtering that and refining the message and listening to other feeds but it's how it works. CEO's have clever ideas like "I want to buy a new XYZ" and the senior consultant can ask his guys "the ceo wants to buya new xyz, do you think your area can take the impact of work, can it sustain production whilst adopting the new xyz?" and based on feedback, the senior consultant can tell the ceo "no, not for a couple of years, you'll waste 100m(illion) doing it". So that brief conversation saves 100m but you've got to have consultants in the business to do it, and they cost 1000s per day. It's about using them correctly and listening.

    You see that programme "back to the floor" where the ceo pretends to be a new clerk and gets all the gossip and then at the end of the week reveals who he is. If you have consultants, you'll never need to worry about that. If you don't, you do.
  13. Next thing we know is that he'll be accusing some former senior officers (and some slightly below them) of easing the way for 'consultancies' into the MoD on the back of a promise of employment as a 'consultant' for themselves after they collect their gratuity. Whatever next?
  14. Management Consultant, someone who borrows your watch to tell you what the time is and then keeps it.
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  15. Too right. In my humble opinion, it's a symptom of our ludicrous system when we compulsorily retire our deep specialists at 40 years of age. We jettison all the experience and then wonder why we lack continuity.

    "Hmmm.... Warrant Officer Class 1 you say, with experience of warfighting operations, teaching and mentoring, managing personnel, understands the business inside and out etc? Nah bin him, he's no use to us unless he holds a commission in which case we can employ him till 55".

    If anyone wants to pay me £1000 a day, fill yer boots.
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