Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by AndyPipkin, Apr 16, 2007.
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Bit like Ukraine nicking half of russia's navy then ? , lol scotland the nuclear superpower and not england !! is everyone really that daft.
Cool - check out Helensburgh for properties. They have suddenly become a lot more desirable!
On a more serious note - I'm surprised it has taken so long. It will be interesting to see how much money this strips from the local economy. It will be a lot.
Salmond is a commie who would chuck the lot into a deep hole and not use them at all.
This report is the usual bollox, single sourced, anonymous figures speaking out and therefore more than likely made up.
There is no way on god's earth that Helensborough properties will ever, ever be "desireable!"
well Devonport and the surrounding area will be pleased to have it if the scot decide they dont need the work!
Actually in a parliamentary answer Buff Hoon stated that only some 1000 direct and 300 indirect jobs in Scotland depended on Trident, not 11,000.
Then Hoon was lying to the House. Coulport alone support over 3000 MoD civilians. And without trident there would be no need for the other nuclear berths in Faslane, so the rest of Submarine Squadron 1 would also relocate.
IIRC, back in the 1960s when the decision to procure Polaris had been teken, the shortlisting for bases was either Falmouth or Faslane. Falmouth was by far the most sensible miltary option, with easy access to the south west approaches and the edge of the continental shelf. However, despite Faslane possessing easily mined and blocked approaches through the narrows at Rhu and the Clyde in general, it was chosen for political purposes to bring jobs and investment to an otherwise impoverished part of Scotland.
Well, if Salmond and the SNP don't want the jobs, they don't have to have them. And watch one of the most prosperous corners of Scotland disappear down the toilet.
And now I wait for incoming from Sven for daring to suggest that a Labour minister would be economic with the actualite with the House......
Augustus, if Falmouth was the better choice, why did the USN choose to base its subs in Holy Loch, close to Faslane?
This reminds me of earlier threads on the 'Devolution Issue' and one of the questions there was who would get the forces goodies, or would they be divvied up.
Well, there's your answer then: Have your devolution, but keep yer hands off our kit!
Perhaps the reason for siting these bases where they are in Scotland is that they're relatively easy to defend plus, if you intend to launch an air raid on them, you'd crash into the hills at the end of the loch?
As for the economy of the west of Scotland - it's not just based on Helensburgh, although I can foresee Helensburgh becoming like Dunoon after the USN left the Holy Loch (which is to say, returning to relatively quiet obscurity and being a place of holiday homes and retirement communities).
When they were built, the accuracy of Soviet ALCMs, ICBMs and SLBMs was pretty poor. Whilst that would make little difference with a high enough kilotonage/megatonage in flatter terrain, a mountain in between burst and target would mitigate some of the effects. Perhaps, enough to make the difference between surviving to launch more boats or being destroyed.
You know if they did actually go the whole hog and close down Faslane, the SNP would be the first to complain about the impact on the local economy.
There's just no pleasing some people.
"Coulport alone support over 3000 MoD civilians" - sorry think you're over estimating there. The biggest MOD establishment is main building which has about 2000 civillians from PUS down to cleaner working there. No chance that 3000 work in Coulport.
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