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MoD consider giving away HMS Victory!

#1
The Ministry of Defence said the 18th century warship was expensive to maintain and that her funding was currently under review.

This could see her passed to a private firm or given to a charity to save cash. The MoD says increasing budgetary pressures mean it must review Victory's future like any other ship.

But a former Commanding Officer of Victory and ex-First Sea Lord said handing over the oldest commissioned warship in the world to a private company would make a mockery of Portsmouth's naval heritage.

Lt Cmdr Michael Cheshire, now retired, was Commanding Officer of Victory from 1992 to 1998 and was awarded an MBE for his services to the Royal Navy.

He said: 'If they sell her or give her away to charity it will be an absolute tragedy.

'This magnificent ship means so much to both naval people and the whole nation – selling it to a private firm would turn it into Disneyland and would be its ruin.

'I think Portsmouth would suffer as a city.

'HMS Victory is the core of the naval base, the core of Portsmouth, and to sell off this icon would indicate the decline of the Royal Navy.'

HMS Victory costs a minimum of £1.5m to maintain and run each year, but that figure can go up when major work is needed.

Up to half a million people visit her at Portsmouth Historic Dockyard annually, with entrance fees divided up and shared between all the major attractions.

The MoD said it was considering whether to hand Victory over to a private company, a charitable trust similar to the one that looks after the Mary Rose, another government department or keep the status quo.

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said the department was committed to keeping Victory in the best possible condition, adding that sticking with the current set-up was one of the options.

She also said that whatever happened, Victory would remain a commissioned warship.

http://www.modoracle.com/news/MOD-Consider-Giving-Away-HMS-Victory_16472.html
 
#4
Or the RN flying a kite to remind the bean counters at the Treasury that their political Masters have to be elected and this would be political suicide for ZNL. Well done to the RN for flashing the Ace card.
 
#6
If this had appeared in the Daily Hate I'd have dismissed it as shit stirring. But seeing as it is in Oracle (same journalistic standards as the Hate but slightly better connected) it's pretty alarming and very sad. If we can let Victory go, what's safe?
 
#7
I have a clear picture in my head of a very exasperated camel with a beady glint in it's eye looking squarely at a ZANU Labourite who is poised to drop a load of straw on it's back.

How odd...
 
#8
Have had the priviledge of being invited to the Seniors Mess on Victory and can understand the RN anger.

It is very special and to let this go would be the confirmation, if we needed one, that Liarbour have no understanding of being British.
 
#9
FARMBOY said:
Bonzo_Dog said:
The Liabour Government know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
Seconded.

Q. HMS Victory must surely generate enough revenue to cover it's costs?
I'd doubt it. Family Angular recently spent a day there; £50 for 4 of us, with a harbour tour, entry into the Mary Rose, HMS Warrior and the Victory, plus all the other museums and attractions. One of the best value days out we've had in a long time. Kept all of us interested from 10 till 4, and the youngest is only three.

See it now before it becomes 'HMS Victory sponsored by EDF' :x
 
#10
angular said:
FARMBOY said:
Bonzo_Dog said:
The Liabour Government know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
Seconded.

Q. HMS Victory must surely generate enough revenue to cover it's costs?
I'd doubt it. Family Angular recently spent a day there; £50 for 4 of us, with a harbour tour, entry into the Mary Rose, HMS Warrior and the Victory, plus all the other museums and attractions. One of the best value days out we've had in a long time. Kept all of us interested from 10 till 4, and the youngest is only three.

See it now before it becomes 'HMS Victory sponsored by EDF' :x
A more appropriate sponsor:



(For the youngster amongst you, they're sweets).
 
#12
angular said:
FARMBOY said:
Bonzo_Dog said:
The Liabour Government know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
Seconded.

Q. HMS Victory must surely generate enough revenue to cover it's costs?
I'd doubt it. Family Angular recently spent a day there; £50 for 4 of us, with a harbour tour, entry into the Mary Rose, HMS Warrior and the Victory, plus all the other museums and attractions. One of the best value days out we've had in a long time. Kept all of us interested from 10 till 4, and the youngest is only three.

See it now before it becomes 'HMS Victory sponsored by EDF' :x
Could be worse: Imagine 'HMS Victory sponsored by EDS'
 
#14
HMS VICTORY is the only surviving warship that fought in the American War of Independence, the French Revolutionary War and the Napoleonic wars. In the latter she served as Lord Nelson's flagship at the decisive Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. Her career began some 40 years earlier.
Whilst I can sympathise with our fish head friends - I'm afraid it probably goes no further than that. A couple of years ago my Regiment - an older beastie that the aforementioned ship - was consigned to the dustbin of history along with several others. So, my sympathies Horatio, you may be a little more PR friendly, but you are not the first...
 
#15
I am sure it will be "donated" to some private company that has a few "directors" in the gubmint, then sold off elsewhere to make a fortune for the company.....
 
#16
All_I_Want said:
I am sure it will be "donated" to some private company that has a few "directors" in the gubmint, then sold off elsewhere to make a fortune for the company.....
Don't be so cynical. I'm sure it will be dealt with properly, with all due consideration for the general public and the Armed Forces, and no thought of anyone making any profit out of it. Honest. Yeah right.
 

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#17
Nice boat but what does it do actually apart from act as a nice mess for do's and keep seniors in jobs. My regiment with over 300 years history 1685-2007 was destroyed at the stroke of a pen. Surely they can name a rib victory and keep the golden thread going?
 
#19
How can you place a Warshio still under RN commission in private hands?

Are the new private owners given a Letter of Marque?

Sets an interesting and slightly disturbing precedent too.

1. I can get an MTB , offer it for commission to the Admiralty under LoM , then go freebooting off the coast of Somalia etc, keeping the sea lanes open, under the White Ensign but getting top jolly Privateers (heh!) money. Which leads to ....

2. If a private company is allowed to operate one of HM's war canoes, then a precedent is set and.....
 

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