MOD Civil Servants organise the RAF in Italy

#1
Yet another sickening article on Dii about MOD civil servants and how fantastic they are (not). DII is the MOD internal website for those who are not familiar.

The article goes on about a team of beancounters who have been sent to Italy to make sure those dammed Service
personnel in the RAF don't spend a penny more than they have to, including depriving them of cars and hiring them
push bikes instead.

Reading the article is a vomit-inducing praise of MOD civil servants who are clearly on a jolly doing a job that could be done by any Corporal in the Armed Forces.

I suppose it makes a change from MOD Civil Serpents congratulating each other on winning another diversity champion
award.
 
#3
Yet another sickening article on Dii about MOD civil servants and how fantastic they are (not). DII is the MOD internal website for those who are not familiar.

The article goes on about a team of beancounters who have been sent to Italy to make sure those dammed Service
personnel in the RAF don't spend a penny more than they have to, including depriving them of cars and hiring them
push bikes instead.

Reading the article is a vomit-inducing praise of MOD civil servants who are clearly on a jolly doing a job that could be done by any Corporal in the Armed Forces.

I suppose it makes a change from MOD Civil Serpents congratulating each other on winning another diversity champion
award.
Okay so you can't link the story that offends you so much, so why bother posting unless you have serious issues? Did a Civil Servant get ahead of you in the scran queue? As for the bikes, there are that may fat bastards in the RAF, bikes are a good idea.

"Reading the article is a vomit-inducing praise of MOD civil servants....."

WTF?

Why not put your proposals for a civilian free Defence in a submission. Any Corporal should be able to do that.
 

BrunoNoMedals

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#4
I think he's envious of our bowler hats and gold-plated pensions. Now if you'll excuse me I have another platoon of infantrymen to condemn to death, by purchasing them inadequate equipment and maintaining an inefficient logistics system.
 
C

cloudbuster

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#5
"PJHQ [Permanent Joint Headquarters] sent a team in to set it all up and were out here for a week or so, and then they parachuted in a team that they managed to pull together from people that had previously been on their books."
II Sqn in action? Cor!
 
#6
I think he's envious of our bowler hats and gold-plated pensions. Now if you'll excuse me I have another platoon of infantrymen to condemn to death, by purchasing them inadequate equipment and maintaining an inefficient logistics system.
Well done, we expect to see your name in light in the near future.
PS I think they they already have most of the inadequate equipment, if you could just(re)announce something going out to tender with an ISD of 2021, that would be grand(1)

(1) I don't have to add a smiley do I?
 
#7
I agree - I am disgusted that the MOD is making an effort to publicise the efforts of its civillian component. How dare they try to make out that civilians are involved in military ops too. After all we've only been doing ELLAMY for 6 months, and issuing near daily press releases about the glorious RAF / Army / Navy in that time. To issue one press release after all this time is an utter disgrace that we even acknowledge that these untermensch dare pollute our military bases.

Its even more disgraceful that the guidance on the ACSM noted that CS are entitled to it too because some of them have racked up the qualifying criteria under new & old system. How dare these pinstripe wearing, shoulder sloping, nappy wetting individuals who are engaged in collective treason with the EUSSR and its evil allies possibly be considered for voluntary service overseas. I am outraged at this, and the fact that Nursey hasn't brought me my daily meds yet...
 
#8
To be fair the article does try to make a bunch of civvie bean counters seem vital to the task in hand and to some degree sexy...

However, starting with the title... They aren't really doing anything to keep the RAF flying over Libya are they?

They are a 'small' team, in a 'small' room... perhaps as well, after all they couldn't be a large team in a large room if they are they too cut costs.

They aren't really 'on the ground' they are in a hotel in Italy, and nobody was parachuted.

Apparently they have a 'red card' system and have managed to book in to a hotel. A skill the RAF hold in particular high regard, isn't it MATT 10?

All in all a truely remarkable piece of propagander for the civvies in a dull job.
 

OldSnowy

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#9
I'd be quite happy for a Cpl to do any job that a Civvy does, if they were cheaper. Trouble is, they very rarely are.

Can I recommend, to the original poster, a fine fine article on the MOD wbevsite about the wonderful job Civil Servants are doing in Afghanistan, to ensure that money is not wasted?:
Ministry of Defence | Defence News | People In Defence | MOD civil servant keeps eye on purse strings in Helmand

(By Wasted, I mean wasted-any-more-than-is-necessary-by-having-9,000-men-living-in-the-middle-of-a-desert-1-Mile-up-and-3,500-miles-away?)
 
#10
LOL some really amusing replies, ha ha! Especially Jim30 whose reply I thought was genuine, and with which I agreed, until I read pin-stripe suits.

These days the dress for Civil Servants isn't pinstripe suits, it's jeans, t shirt, earrings, wearing a militant and weary expression of being the world's underdog.
 
#11
Bolo

Could you show me on the doll where the bad civil servant touched your naughty places please?

I think some people here do need to grow up slightly. Like them or not the CS is part of the MOD, and does play a role in operations. To issue a single press release bigging up a unit or team or group of people isn't something that is solely confined to the MOD CS, and plenty of military units are guilty of it too. There is a wider lack of understanding about what the MOD CS does, and something like this is quite useful in helping show that its not just biggles and his magnificent troop of red pelicans saving the day over Africa.
 
#12
I think he's envious of our bowler hats and gold-plated pensions. Now if you'll excuse me I have another platoon of infantrymen to condemn to death, by purchasing them inadequate equipment and maintaining an inefficient logistics system.
You are CDM (Bernard Gray) and I claim my £5 (accepting that by the time I receive the prize it will have been reduced to the equivalent of £1.27 and delivered in an obscure foreign currency that I can't spend anywhere).
 
#13
As I recall the Army has been publishing lots of stories in Soldier magazine and others about how well it has been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years. Its a shame none of them seemed to mention that while the British Soldier did his usual stirling work, those in charge were making a bit of a hash of it all and we have now twice had to be bailed out by the USA. (At least the second time we had the intelligence to ask them to help rather than wait for them to turn up unnaounced as they pretty much had to do in Basra!)

So go easy on the CS propganda - we're all just as guilty!
 
#14
Yet another sickening article on Dii about MOD civil servants and how fantastic they are (not). DII is the MOD internal website for those who are not familiar.
.
Is that so?

The article goes on about a team of beancounters who have been sent to Italy to make sure those dammed Service
personnel in the RAF don't spend a penny more than they have to, including depriving them of cars and hiring them
push bikes instead.
Seeing as I do the way some service personnel think and act like money grows on trees, bloody good job too.

Reading the article is a vomit-inducing praise of MOD civil servants who are clearly on a jolly doing a job that could be done by any Corporal in the Armed Forces.
I earn less than a Corporal, I do the same stuff as Sgts.

I suppose it makes a change from MOD Civil Serpents congratulating each other on winning another diversity champion
award.
Curiously, I find the uniformed wallahs pushing the hardest for E&D bollox.



I agree - I am disgusted that the MOD is making an effort to publicise the efforts of its civillian component. How dare they try to make out that civilians are involved in military ops too. After all we've only been doing ELLAMY for 6 months, and issuing near daily press releases about the glorious RAF / Army / Navy in that time. To issue one press release after all this time is an utter disgrace that we even acknowledge that these untermensch dare pollute our military bases.

Its even more disgraceful that the guidance on the ACSM noted that CS are entitled to it too because some of them have racked up the qualifying criteria under new & old system. How dare these pinstripe wearing, shoulder sloping, nappy wetting individuals who are engaged in collective treason with the EUSSR and its evil allies possibly be considered for voluntary service overseas. I am outraged at this, and the fact that Nursey hasn't brought me my daily meds yet...
Indeed.

My CS manager is entitled to a operational medal for his time in Iraq but he hasn't claimed it.

Why not?

He says it's not worth the grief he'll get from the bitter uniformed never have beens who will attack him over getting it.
 
#15
I'd be quite happy for a Cpl to do any job that a Civvy does, if they were cheaper. Trouble is, they very rarely are.
Trouble is that Cpl is a soldier first while that civie is errr... well a civie. Or do CS get some sneaky trigger time and help the pebble monkeys gourding the EFI etc. on some down time?
 
#16
He says it's not worth the grief he'll get from the bitter uniformed never have beens who will attack him over getting it.
How many people are there without Iraq/Afghanistan medals? There can't be that many surely... and if they haven't got the medals why not?

Still shocks me how many people I have seen with not a solitary medal, despite the fact that off the top of my head I can think of 12 dfferent medal gaining tours in the last 20 years. All of which have run for significant periods of time.

Tell your man to claim the medal and put it on the mantlepiece with pride.
 
#17
What a ********* do you really hate the civil service that mutch?
Do you know what they do for you?
Do you know that a Pte earns more than an E2 civil servant?
Who do you expect to pay the bills order the bombs and bullets?
Four civil servants deploy to do the admin for the RAF and try to keep costs down amazing hang them all total balls is your average admin bod trained in contract finance? No of course not.
Could you set up and run a multi million pound contract and watch that the MOD do not get****ed over?
When I left the Army I joined the civil service and one of the first things I was asked is would you like to deploy and yes I did and yes I took the medal or at least the bar. And as to sneaky trigger time no comment but I am dammed sure that the lads were happy with the odd extra help.
Just think about what we do for you year in year out for shit pay and no thanks at all.
I spend my day sorting out **** ups made by green skins who do not have a clue on how the real world works with contracts and long term funds
Last week in my place an officer staffed a project up and got it approved via the new 3C way of working thank god I saw it just before it went to the cotractor I pointed out that he was a ********* and should have asked for some help as he was being****ed over to the tune of 75k and that the real cost should only be 7k, he was happy asa sand boy due to the fact that he phoned up his head shed and said sir sir I have found away of getting more bang for less bucks good SJAR for him.
Slag us off all you want but we just keep plodding along
 
#18
What a ********* do you really hate the civil service that mutch?
Do you know what they do for you?
Do you know that a Pte earns more than an E2 civil servant?
Who do you expect to pay the bills order the bombs and bullets?
Four civil servants deploy to do the admin for the RAF and try to keep costs down amazing hang them all total balls is your average admin bod trained in contract finance? No of course not.
Could you set up and run a multi million pound contract and watch that the MOD do not get****ed over?
When I left the Army I joined the civil service and one of the first things I was asked is would you like to deploy and yes I did and yes I took the medal or at least the bar. And as to sneaky trigger time no comment but I am dammed sure that the lads were happy with the odd extra help.
Just think about what we do for you year in year out for shit pay and no thanks at all.
I spend my day sorting out **** ups made by green skins who do not have a clue on how the real world works with contracts and long term funds
Last week in my place an officer staffed a project up and got it approved via the new 3C way of working thank god I saw it just before it went to the cotractor I pointed out that he was a ********* and should have asked for some help as he was being****ed over to the tune of 75k and that the real cost should only be 7k, he was happy asa sand boy due to the fact that he phoned up his head shed and said sir sir I have found away of getting more bang for less bucks good SJAR for him.
Slag us off all you want but we just keep plodding along
Why didn't you join up then?
 

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