MoD Cant Stop Medal Walting

#1
As part of the Legion of Waltiersmen topics there was various discussions about various individuals wearing medals to which they are not entitled. Wearing my "Angry of Arrse" head :x I dropped a line to my MP 13Sep07;

In the past there have been instances of individuals wearing campaign and gallantry medals to which they are not entitled (I do not include private commemoration medals). My concern is that, with the increase in the volume of awards in recent years, there may be a temptation for the unscrupulous to "hide" amongst the genuine recipients. Regardless of whether the intention is purely to boost their own egos or status, it is still an insult to those who genuinely served their Queen and Country.
I would be most grateful if you could ascertain from the MOD what active measures they have in place to discourage and/or penalise those tempted
to usurp such medals.
He has forwarded me the reply he received from Derek Twigg, the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the MoD;

Thank you for your letter of 20 September on behalf of your constituent, Mr Gas Gas Gas, who has expressed his concern that, as more medals are now being awarded to Armed Forces personnel for their overseas service, it will become easier for unscrupulous veterans to wear medals to which they are not entitled, without being detected. He believes that this is an insult to those people who genuinely served Queen and country.

This may indeed be a growing issue and I have sympathy with your constituent's concerns. There was a case reported in the Press in June this year concerning a man who had never served in the Armed Forces, but attended a Falklands War 25th commemorative event in Edinburgh, claiming to be a retired member of the Parachute Regiment. He was photographed wearing the Regiment's red beret and a selection of medals he had bought on the Internet. Incidents of this type are, thankfully, rare. The individual was challenged by other veterans and, with considerable embarrassment, admitted his actions. Perhaps the widespread publicity this regrettable incident received in the media will deter others.

In cases where veterans spuriously add one or more medals to the ones they earned for past military service, identification is far more difficult and one of the reasons why there is very little that the Government can do to prevent this type of deception. It is not against the law to wear campaign medals which have not been earned, and indeed there are instances where relatives openly wear medals earned by deceased relatives as a mark of respect, albeit on the right breast. However, unless an individual is caught wearing decorations or medals for gallant service with intent to defraud, the Police cannot take any action.

Without access to a person's detailed Record of Service it is not possible to determine where an individual served and what medals he may have received as a result of that service. Whilst it is disappointing that some individuals purchase and wear medals to which they are not entitled, I regret that there is no practical way to stop them.

Thankfully, peer pressure from fellow veterans who query ex-comrades at commemorative events may dissuade the practice from becoming too commonplace.

I hope this explains the situation and I am sorry that that I could not give Mr Gas Gas Gas a more positive reply.
No real surprise there I suppose.
 
#2
I thought it was a well reasoned reply. What do you want the Government to do....... shoot the offending persons? It's not a crime as the reply points out. If these individuals want to walt it, let them. No skin off my nose anyway. They're sad fuckers that's all.
 
#4
I suppose then that responsibility for taking Walts to task devolves on us.
We have the ARRSE website, we have the members and all their contacts, we have a press which though supposedly free prostitutes itself willingly. As long as we remain within the law I see no real problems.
 
#6
You are right FJ - but what if I wear fag butts on my manly left breast and at the same time shout "Hurrah for Formulas One!" Will I then be guilty of a crime?
 
#7
Fallschirmjager said:
I thought it was a well reasoned reply. What do you want the Government to do....... shoot the offending persons? It's not a crime as the reply points out. If these individuals want to walt it, let them. No skin off my nose anyway. They're sad fuckers that's all.

Sad indeed. I was under the impression that there was legislation about impersonating Service personnel and therefore wondered if there was any protection of medals etc.


(I had meant to also mention non-veteran Walts wearing medals but I forgot.)
 
#8
Gas Gas Gas said:
Sad indeed. I was under the impression that there was legislation about impersonating Service personnel and therefore wondered if there was any protection of medals etc.
Considering it is not illegal to hire out a military costume for fancy dress it would be hard to get a conviction. Medals are only 'protected' to an individual whilst he is still serving as they are MoD property until he leaves the forces.
 
#9
Fallschirmjager said:
Considering it is not illegal to hire out a military costume for fancy dress it would be hard to get a conviction. Medals are only 'protected' to an individual whilst he is still serving as they are MoD property until he leaves the forces.
There is a difference between fancy dress and impersonation. You can probably go as a copper to your New Year's Eve party but walking up the high street going "evening all" is another thing.
 
#10
Gas Gas Gas said:
There is a difference between fancy dress and impersonation. You can probably go as a copper to your New Year's Eve party but walking up the high street going "evening all" is another thing.
True. But a person wearing medals he is not entitled to could just plead ignorance which in itself is not a crime.

"I'm sorry officer. I was wearing the medals for an old friend out of respect for him".

The law would find it impossible to prove that the wearer was trying to deceive and TBH Police Officers have got better things to do then chase walts.
 
#11
Fallschirmjager said:
.... and TBH Police Officers have got better things to do then chase walts.
Yeah, policing playgrounds and questioning clergymen about possible racist/homophobic beliefs. If medal walting was an offence I'm sure that genuine veterans would be on the lookout. As things stand ARRSE et al seems to be a useful means of outing Walts one way or the other.
 
#12
elsewhere, things are done a bit differently:
to wit -

http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S-7303323&nav=2FHS

guy larged up his military service [he had been discharged ' less than honourable ' ] and claimed more Silver Star medals than Audey Murphy won..the courts gave him 34 months in the slammer. Bought the ' blong' on E-bay.. an all too easy and familiar route these days.. Something surely can be done to shut that route down??

as long as they get outed and slapped down..Maybe there's a ' reality show' in this?

Dog, the Walt Hunter?
 
#13
Make the Walts serve at least the amount of time in prison that their medals represent, if not double.

Say for example a walt wears a GSM NI, claiming a 2 year tour, a NATO medal claiming a 6 month tour, and a QGJM for 5 years service, add that up and make him serve that long in prison at least.

I fact double it, because he would had to have done training, etc, etc in real service, to have earned those medals.

I feckin hate Walts. Any medals I have represent a considerable amount of hard work on my part and to think some fat civvy cnut thinks he can be the equal of me by buying them on ebay?

I think not, and anyone acting in such a manner, you better hope I am not on to you, as I am evil and will have some amount of fun ruining your excuse for a life.
 
#14
<<<unless an individual is caught wearing decorations or medals for gallant service with intent to defraud, the Police cannot take any action.>>

This is the relevant bit in the reply. I'm afraid even were it made illegal there are simply not enough police available to enforce it. Thinking on it, I think I would rather a walt parade on rememberance day with medals he's not entitled to than have the day spoiled by the police making a big thing about who is and who isn't entitled to the medals they are wearing.
 
#15
The wearing of medals unearnt is hardly a crime, its just sad.

If some sad fcuker feels the need to big himself by pretending to be something he isn't let him crack on and laugh at his lack of self pride and small penis, mock the chip on his shoulder and embarass him.

Thats surely more satisfying?

Its only the hardcore walts who take money, con or blag their way into peoples trust and defraud that should be prosectuted, no sad Stevo mcsad from Sad Street with his Plastic VC and MBE.......

Are football fans who wear the shirts of the team they support not walts?
 
#16
What was that old saying "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
 
#18
So, on the day, shoes clean, medals clean, jacket and trousers pressed, poppy on, certificate of service in pocket, paperwork re issue medals+box/s of issue, photographs supporting your service, letters from friends who confirm your service...........
 
#19
Gas Gas Gas said:
Fallschirmjager said:
I thought it was a well reasoned reply. What do you want the Government to do....... shoot the offending persons? It's not a crime as the reply points out. If these individuals want to walt it, let them. No skin off my nose anyway. They're sad fuckers that's all.

Sad indeed. I was under the impression that there was legislation about impersonating Service personnel and therefore wondered if there was any protection of medals etc.


(I had meant to also mention non-veteran Walts wearing medals but I forgot.)
I believe it is an offence if you gain some advantage by your Walting. This would be deception, so buy the walt a pint then bubble him
 
#20
minister_doh_nut said:
Are football fans who wear the shirts of the team they support not walts?
Yes. (and G3 exits at the rush.)
 

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