MoD attitude survey - "everyones happy"

#1
MoD internal attitude surveys have been published today.... mostly content according to the spin doctors:

Pride remains high within the Armed Forces. 92 percent of Army officers and 79 percent of soldiers feel proud to be in the Army. Pride in the Royal Navy is even higher, with 97 percent of officers and 80 percent of sailors proud to be part of the Royal Navy.

Job satisfaction levels in the Forces also remains high. 78 percent of Army officers and 59 percent of soldiers are satisfied with their current working life. 94 per cent of Royal Marines are proud of the job they do with 80 per cent of Royal Marine officers rating their morale as good or very good.

For all three Services, the inevitable impact of Service life on family life, including the amount of time spent away from home, remains a main point of dissatisfaction. However, the majority of the soldiers surveyed (61 per cent) said the frequency of operation tours were “about right” or “too few”. Service personnel are compensated for these differences in lifestyle and working conditions through the payment of an additional 13 percent of ‘X-factor’ pay. Personnel completing a six month operational deployment are also eligible for the new £2240 allowance.

Defence Minister Derek Twigg, welcomed the publication of the surveys, saying:

“The young men and women that I have spoken to whilst they serve their country in Iraq and Afghanistan, tell me that their morale is high, and that they are trained and equipped for the job.

“These surveys offer a useful snapshot of attitudes. They help the Armed Forces target issues that concern our people and inform changes in policy and new initiatives. This ensures the Services remain a top quality employer.”

(The Army survey was conducted between September 2006 and January 2007 and was distributed to total of 5,550 of which 2062 responded - a response rate of 30 per cent. Of those respondents, 61 per cent were officers and 30 per cent were other ranks. The total trained strength of the Army as of March 2007 is 99,280.)
 
#2
Did it mention how many of the Officers were on Regimental duty and how many seconded to Whitehall? Thought not.
 
#3
So out of approx 100,000 this represents the views of 1,258 Offrs, 619 Soldiers and 185 others.

msr
 
#4
msr said:
So out of approx 100,000 this represents the views of 1,258 Offrs, 619 Soldiers and 185 others.

msr
Are You saying that the majority of soldiers are not proud to be before their colours?
 
#5
That Twigg statement in full:

Neu Arbeit Propaganda Abteilung said:
Defence Minister Derek Twigg, welcomed the publication of the surveys, saying:

“The carefully chosen and briefed young men and women that I have spoken to whilst they serve their country in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been instructed to tell me that their morale is high, and that they are trained and equipped for the job. Just not the job we are asking them to do...

“These surveys offer a useful snapshot of attitudes - if you are a Labour minister, or stupid. They help the Armed Forces target issues that concern our people and inform changes in policy and new initiatives- provided they cost the Treasury nothing. This ensures that we can say the Services remain a top quality employer, in spite of truly dreadful accommodation, overstretch, poor healthcare and long delays in holding inquests.”

(The Army survey was conducted between September 2006 and January 2007 and was distributed to total of 5,550 of which 2062 responded - a response rate of 30 per cent. Of those respondents, 61 per cent were officers and 30 per cent were other ranks. Surveys returned by RMP units were discounted, as they had crayon all over them. The total trained strength of the Army as of March 2007 is 99,280.)
 
#6
ViroBono said:
That Twigg statement in full:

Neu Arbeit Propaganda Abteilung said:
Defence Minister Derek Twigg, welcomed the publication of the surveys, saying:

“The carefully chosen and briefed young men and women that I have spoken to whilst they serve their country in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been instructed to tell me that their morale is high, and that they are trained and equipped for the job. Just not the job we are asking them to do...

“These surveys offer a useful snapshot of attitudes - if you are a Labour minister, or stupid. They help the Armed Forces target issues that concern our people and inform changes in policy and new initiatives- provided they cost the Treasury nothing. This ensures that we can say the Services remain a top quality employer, in spite of truly dreadful accommodation, overstretch, poor healthcare and long delays in holding inquests.”

(The Army survey was conducted between September 2006 and January 2007 and was distributed to total of 5,550 of which 2062 responded - a response rate of 30 per cent. Of those respondents, 61 per cent were officers and 30 per cent were other ranks. Surveys returned by RMP units were discounted, as they had crayon all over them. The total trained strength of the Army as of March 2007 is 99,280.)
Probably nearer the truth than the original statement VB! :wink:
 
#8
berney said:
(The Army survey was conducted between September 2006 and January 2007 and was distributed to total of 5,550 of which 2062 responded - a response rate of 30 per cent. Of those respondents, 61 per cent were officers and 30 per cent were other ranks. The total trained strength of the Army as of March 2007 is 99,280.)
My bold. According to DASA, Army strength, as at 1st March 2007, is 106,200 (the total across ranks), of which 830 Officers and 10,100 ORs are untrained, making a trained strength of only 95,270. So which is correct?

Anyway, if we take the MoD's figures... Approx 5.6% of soldiers were issued the survey, of which 30% responded, which equates to a response from approx 1.7% of soldiers across the board.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, a highly representative survey then... :roll:

Edited because I woke up and saw the trained / untrained table on the DASA website).

Edited for a second time because now I can't type.... :roll:
 
#9
Sven said:
msr said:
So out of approx 100,000 this represents the views of 1,258 Offrs, 619 Soldiers and 185 others.

msr
Are You saying that the majority of soldiers are not proud to be before their colours?
Or on the other hand Sven are you saying that the Majority are happy and content with their lot?

SP
 
#10
Job satisfaction levels in the Forces also remains high. 78 percent of Army officers and 59 percent of soldiers are satisfied with their current working life

So thats 41% of our soldiers are p*ssed off then. And, more worryingly, 22% of our Officers.
 
#11
Snagglepuss said:
Sven said:
msr said:
So out of approx 100,000 this represents the views of 1,258 Offrs, 619 Soldiers and 185 others.

msr
Are You saying that the majority of soldiers are not proud to be before their colours?
Or on the other hand Sven are you saying that the Majority are happy and content with their lot?

SP
Surely if blokes are not proud to be serving then they should get the fnck out - this isn't working down the chip shop after all.

No regimental pride, whatever next?
 
#12
DozyBint said:
Anyway, if we take the MoD's figures... Approx 5.6% of soldiers were issued the survey, of which 30% responded, which equates to a response from approx 1.7% of soldiers across the board.
the other 98.3% were on ops, and therefore not sent the survey asking if they thought op tours were too frequent.
 
#14
So a survey goes out to 5.5% to which only 30% reply. Of that number only 30% of non-officers reply. Of these 619, 59% were dissatisfied, so that leave just over 200 bods in the Army that were happy with their lot. Would be interesting to see how many officer returns were non-operational and how many were field rank or above.

Another triumph for statistics and something else the MOD can trumpet round to show things aren't as bad as they are painted.
 
#15
Mao Tze Tung or Mao Zedong had the right idea shoot the buggers in MOD
...to many fiddlers playing this flute!
 
#16
The Ministry of Defence and the Home Office are to combine into one super Ministry, to be known as the Ministry of Truth. It is believed that NuLabour efforts in Spin and Lies would be best served by focusing the efforts of these two enities.

The Ministry of Truth, which exercises complete control over all mass media in the United Kingdom, employs Civil servants at the Records Department, where they doctor historical records in order to comply with the Party's version of the past. Since the present needs of the Party require constant revision of past events in order to reflect the shifting nature of the party's orthodox view of history, the task is a never-ending one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
 
#17
berney said:
Surely there's a difference between regimental pride and pride with the mission(s)!?
Quite.

but the statement WAS "92 percent of Army officers and 79 percent of soldiers feel proud to be in the Army"

:roll:
 
#18
berney said:
Surely there's a difference between regimental pride and pride with the mission(s)!?
Dont rise to Sven, who is, at best an irritating little twat. He's after a bite as usual.

This kind of MOD statement just does my head in. Spin is endemic in that organisation. Everyone is happy yada yada. Does anyone remember that document issued to all Offrs and WOs last year sometime, written by some civvy (spit) at MOD. Basically ordered us to make sure that we briefed both upwards and downwards that everything was hunky dorey, and we honestly didnt mind doing back to back tours in either of the two sandpits. An absolute crock of shite. Voting day soon..........
 
#19
Sorry - can't string a coherent thought together on this one for the hysterical laughter.
Call me a cynical sod.
 
#20
I note that the percentage of RAF personnel who were proud to serve isn't quoted. It's probably so low as to be insignificant :roll:

This is a ridiculous survey submitted to too few personnel with an extraordinarily low uptake. The figures are effectively meaningless. What this does demonstrate, though, is that the majority (70%) of personnel have better things to do than answer the usual number of poorly written, heavily loaded, multiple-choice questions from a faceless company.

I remember recieving a similar questionnaire regarding sexual harrasment, an admirable choice of subject, but I was faced with questions like:

How often have you suffered unwanted sexual attention?

a. Never
b. Sometimes
c. All the time

What sort of fcuking question is that? Any respondant is automatically obliged to announce that they have never suffered any sort of unwanted sexual attention (unlikely in any walk of life). That they sometimes suffer unwelcome sexual attention (too often by anyone's standard). Or that they are constantly barraged by unwelcome sexual attention ("I can't walk around a corner without being sexually harrassed.").

This particular questionnaire was issued to male personnel after a similar survey had revealed a large number of female personnel felt they had suffered sexual harrassment (is it any wonder with those questions!). I noted my objections to some of the questions given and beseached whoever read my response to call me (I even gave them my mobile number!) as I would have liked further clarification of the motives for the way this questionnaire was written. To date I haven't heard anything...
 

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