MoD admits use of controversial enhanced blast weapons

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MoD admits use of controversial 'enhanced blast' weapons in Afghanistan

Richard Norton-Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 28 May 2009 19.33 BST
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British pilots in Afghanistan are firing an increasing number of "enhanced blast" thermobaric weapons, designed to kill everyone in buildings they strike, the Ministry of Defence has revealed.

Since the start of this year more than 20 of the US-designed missiles, which have what is officially described as a "blast fragmentation warhead", have been fired by pilots of British Apache attack helicopters. A total of 20 were also fired last year after they were bought by the MoD
from the Americans last May.

The missiles are a variant of the AGM-114N Hellfire missile, described by the Pentagon as "designed to produce higher sustained blast pressure in multi-room structures.

It adds: "The enhanced blast from the … warhead is more effective against non-traditional targets; multi-room structures expected in military operations in urban terrain operations, caves, and fortified bunker
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/28/british-pilots-afghanistan-thermobaric-weapons
 

maninblack

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So fcuking what........typical Grauniad bleeding heart cr@p.

If the NUT/Socialist Worker's Party/Grauniad don't like it then they can go out there with a broadsword and shield and try and do it the traditional way.

Fcuking panty waisted tarts.
 
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i hear this missle crushes muscles and organs and rip them to shreds then burn you at the same time. Nasty weapon hate for it to be used on me.I think there was a paper where Bush was glorifying it. And human right (hippies) got pissed about its inhuman. I would tell them **** themselves. Your peace and love marijuana cnut friends aren't getting killed or seriously injured day in day out.
 
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Jebus, what are these bleeding heart liberals like?!

So we've started getting the new shells out... heard some of them being tested on the Plains a couple of years back.

Sage Nods round our gaff after the fcukin windows nearly caved in ;)
 
#12
What on earth is wrong with thermobaric warheads, as long as they're used on legit targets (like any other wpn system)?

I wish people would realise its not what weapon is used but what its used against that is surely the important point. TBH I don't see why WP is disallowed as an incendiary - I know its bad stuff but surely it is just a tool in the toolbox, and we'd be better to have that option and not need it than need it and not have it. Same with this weapon - would they rather we not use it so that some poor sod has to go into an en-held building and run those risks? Would they be so quick to condemn if it were them, or their offspring, who was in that section having to clear rooms and ratruns?

Now we may choose not to use them in some cases because it may not be required and it might cause bad PR or whatever, but I think that operational commanders should have the ability to pick from the widest selection of options, because who knows when it might be needed - intelligent use, not a ban. Things like chem and biological agents and other 'WMD' being legislated against I agree with, but if we go down the route of banning incendiaries, WP, cluster bombs, all sorts of mines, riot control agents, etc etc, well where does it end - will we be back to fielding pikemen and halberdiers soon?
 
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We are know broaching the realms of the ridiculous, where the use of any weapon that seems to be remotely effective is portrayed in the media as almost a war crime. Surely the whole point of expensive weapons systems is to kill as many enemy as possible??? Be it by fire, overpressure, underpressure or whatever if it keeps our guys safe and negates them what the hell is the problem ??
 
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ACAB said:
We are know broaching the realms of the ridiculous, where the use of any weapon that seems to be remotely effective is portrayed in the media as almost a war crime. Surely the whole point of expensive weapons systems is to kill as many enemy as possible??? Be it by fire, overpressure, underpressure or whatever if it keeps our guys safe and negates them what the hell is the problem ??
Exactly but then you have some media mongs jumping on the bandwagen and yelling things like WP is a chem weapon - god knows it may have a chem agent effect, I'm no chemist - but I'm pretty sure the burning will get them first.

Tell ya what, why don't we ban those nasty armoured vehs and body armour we have, thats hardly fair - and have it out stripped to the waist, man to man, Queensbury rules styley :roll: The enemy don't even abide by LOAC, so why are we going umpteen times over and beyond that and letting an uninformed media hamstring the operating forces?
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
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Attempting to label weapons as being controversial... Oh deary me they're designed to kill people. What the fcuk do they expect them to do?
 
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We are fighting a war with both hands tied behind our backs with wet lefty handcuffs.

Lets destroy the enemy by whatever means we can without resorting to ICBM's.

I don't understand why this one type of weapon system has been pointed out. The lefties obviously have little to no idea what a .50 round will do to someone when thousands of them are thrown at a sh1tty mud hut full of Terry Taliban types.

Personally I think we should be stepping up our game and throwing more firepower at them. They are already sh1t scared of our air power. Lets give them a bigger, louder, scarier reason to be.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
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I think you are missing the point chaps.

It's in the Grauniad, and what they are trying to say is that a hug is worth a thousand thermobaric enhanced-blast mega-death-kill devices fired upon innocent tribal people who's idea of a proper death is having their heads slowly sawn off to the sound of Islamic verse NOT having themselves turned inside out to the sound of 'Fcuk YEAH!' from on high.
 
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This seems to follow on from an article i read about the Israeli's using 'experimental' weapons in they're recent spats with Hamas.There was feedback from various medical organisations about having to treat strange injuries that hadn't been seen before and wounds that didn't heal etc.They did mention DIME.
 

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