Mobilised - watch out for your Bounty!

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  1. Be aware that the regs have now changed regarding getting your bounty after an op tour. you must still do in camp training days, the number is on a sliding scale depending on the length of your tour.
    Don't assume your PSIs know the rules either. On my return I contacted my unit 3 times, twice by telephone and once by email (fortunately I still have a copy of this) to check if I had qualified. Each time I was assured I had. After the bounty failed to appear in April I started chasing it and was told numerous dates for when it would arrive. Finally today I have been told I haven't qualified, I missed it by 1/4 of a day!!

    pissed off? Oh yeh, enough that after 20 years of TA service this may well be the final nail in the coffin of my career.
     
  2. Write to your boss and request an extension retrospectivly to your training year highlighting the reasons you did not qualify for your bounty - attach a copy of the email and see if they will pick up their retention opportunity recognition badge to sew onto their uniform.
     
  3. I thought there was a time limit of a month on extending your training year? I was away all through April so didn't train, I'll try it though and see how I get on, I'll keep you posted.
    I don't think my CO understands the concept of the retention badge. He bleats on about recruitment and retention but his actions do rather speak louder than his words.
     
  4. Write to Soldier magazine. That Brigadier chappy might do something. Cuz that is tearing the arrse out of it.
     
  5. OldSnowy

    OldSnowy LE Moderator Book Reviewer

    To be fair, I think this rule came in some time ago - well over a year. Well before it became the rules we got stuffed after TELIC 2 as we had blokes notified (officially) on the 14th May, mobilised on the 1st June, and demobbed after POTL in late March - therefore very hard to do your MTDs, what with not being on the books, and the fact that Families couldn't understand why you were so keen to do lots of weekends, after just being demobbed! We had to jump through all sorts of hoops to get some of them their Bounty, but all except one did. Partly as a result of this the rules were changed, and at least you can still get a full Bounty, despite being out of the Country for most of the year!

    When you think about it, they weren't "available for training" for over 3/4 of the training year, so a Bounty was a bit of a Bonus :)
     
  6. I knew the rules and accepted them, that is why I sought clarification from my trainng staff that I would qualify in good time to do extra days if needed, I was assured that I had qualified and did not need to do anything more. Don't tell someone they qualify when they don't! Frankly it's endemic of the crap standards I see all the time, and thats why I sought to clarify the position three times.

    'The carrot is on a stick only so that it can be whipped away more quickly' (moggy 17.06.06. !!!)
     
  7. At first I was feeling sympathy and was angry at the Army for being pedantic over a 1/4 day. Then I read
    If there were more training days available, and you were willing to do them, why didn't you just attend? Bounty is a bonus, not a reason for being.
     
  8. Do you mean apart from the fact that I had just returned from a six month op tour and in the month that I had available actually had a few other things to attend to, like my life!! Bounty is not a bonus, it is a right, and it is also incidently a right that it is paid in a timely manner, which it would appear it frequently isn't.
     
  9. I don't dispute that Bounty is a right, nor do I retract my statement that it's a bonus. But I would presume that the month that you refer to, attending to your life, followed POTL. POTL is the period where you adjust back to civvy life.

    If you attended the full routine training programme during that month, but needed additional days mid-week, then I apologise wholeheartedly. Your post, however, suggested that you contacted your PSI to determine how little you needed to attend to qualify for Bounty.
     
  10. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    I've got to agree with Moggy on this one I missed my bounty because I just couldn't find the time
    I served almost 7 months in Iraq (Telic 4) and then had to come back to work and family, my unit did extend it for a month for me to try and get 6 days in but as above this figure changed a couple of times
    Sadly I was in the position where I just couldn't manage it I work in a team of 5 on a 24/7 rolling shift and felt that it was unfair to ask people who had done extra hours whilst I was away to cover weekends for me so I could go and train.
    My employers had shown me unquailfied support with out asking even to the extent to e mailing me and checking on my family to see if things were ok.
    Faced with this loyalty from them I felt I had to return the compliment and get on with work and life.
    The TA is not the biggest part of my life and in the end it was alomost a year away and in civvy street a year is a long time I work in transport and amongst many things to happen was a change to the working laws so there were courses and stuff to get up to speed on
    I did try to fix up some midweek courses or stuff to try and put the time in but to no avail
    Is it not worth giving a soldier who has been away on a tour his bounty? All the stay at home's achived their's did I not achive more in 1 years training and deployment with a regular unit than 1 weeks piss up in Germany and a week on the simulators at Bovvy?
    A friend of my parents who is ADC to a brigadier mentioned what had happend to me to him and he said
    '' No bloody wonder they can't keep anybody'' (least that's the version I got back) and I have to agree with him.
     
  11. I've got sympathy for the_boy_syrup. If you do what you can, but it's not enough because of circumstances beyond your control, there should be some discretion.

    Did you explain your circumstances up the chain of command in a timely manner or did you just assume that you'd lost out? If the CO doesn't get to know these things, he can't do much to resolve them.
     
  12. Chaps - letter to Brigadier Reserves may find sympathy. You don't ask, you don't know - this is not a scratchcard, it's £1500!
     
  13. The relevant part of TA regs (since Apr 04) is copied below:

    [align=center]APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX A TO CHAPTER 7
    MOBILIZATION - PROPORTIONAL REDUCTIONS OF OUT OF CAMP TRAINING(PARA 7.208 REFERS) [/align]The purpose of this annex is to illustrate the proportional reduction in out of camp (OOC) MTDs arising from specific periods of mobilized service.
    a. The number of OOC MTDs that may be counted towards an individual’s bounty earning obligations for periods of mobilized service is shown at Table 1.

    Table 1 - Proportional Reductions in Out of Camp Training
    Days Mobilized Service.........................................................0-30......31-60......61-90......91-120......121-150......151-180
    Independent - OOC MTDs Reduction after Demobilization..........Nil...........1............2.............3................4................5
    Specialist - OOC MTDs Reduction after Demobilization...............Nil..........Nil..........Nil............1................1................1
    Days Mobilized Service.......................................................181-210....211-240....241-270....271-300....301-330....331-365
    Independent - OOC MTDs Reduction after Demobilization...........6..............7...............8..............9.............10............11
    Specialist - OOC MTDs Reduction after Demobilization................2..............2...............2..............3..............3.............3

    So basically, after the first month, every 30 days thereafter you have completed one out of camp MTD.