Moaning German soldiers an embarrassment

#1
My my. How times do change.

"German soldiers are softies who lack discipline, hate responsibility and show an inadequate desire to serve their country, according to the army's chief inspector

General Wolfgang Schneiderhahn, the general inspector of the Bundeswehr, told the German parliament that depite their positive contribution in Afghanistan, complaints from troops about their conditions were an "embarrassment".

"We have given a good account of ourselves in Afghanistan, but we cannot guarantee an all-round feel-good feeling for soldiers," said the general, before going on to detail the less dignified side of the country's armed forces.

He cited complaints reaching him about the quality of sleeping bags used in a deployment in the Congo.

"Are our soldiers too soft?" asked the best-selling daily German newspaper Bild.

Gen Schneiderhahn told politicians in Berlin on Monday that the descendants of the country's mighty military machines of the past needed to have "a better feeling for discipline and to show a greater readiness to serve the state". "



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...man-soldiers-an-embarrassment-say-chiefs.html
 

maguire

LE
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#2
maybe they should give the French a good shoeing again... partly for old times sake, but mostly to get back into practice.

;)
 
#4
Let this be a warning to us, once you lose it it's a bugger to get it back!
 
#5
maguire said:
maybe they should give the French a good shoeing again... partly for old times sake, but mostly to get back into practice.

;)
Perhaps we could help? There will be an anniversary of some German-British combined ops in 6 years (& 2 days). :wink:
 
#6
Gas Gas Gas said:
maguire said:
maybe they should give the French a good shoeing again... partly for old times sake, but mostly to get back into practice.

;)
Perhaps we could help? There will be an anniversary of some German-British combined ops in 6 years (& 2 days). :wink:
Be like Dunkirk in reverse :D
 
#7
Gas Gas Gas said:
Perhaps we could help? There will be an anniversary of some German-British combined ops in 6 years (& 2 days). :wink:
You'd of thought these europeans would have realised who usually ends up on the winning side by now..... :lol:
 
#8
maguire said:
maybe they should give the French a good shoeing again... partly for old times sake, but mostly to get back into practice.

;)
And Alsace hasn't changed hands for a few years. I suspect the residents might be getting bored.
 
#9
Bad drills by the boxheads, and I blame modern literature and film. What is needed is a series of black and white 50's war movies and some commando comics. These hard hitting real life documentaries show that as soon as any German squaddie starts whinging to his mates on stag, ie "Ach Franz, I miss Mutti and der little kinder" or the ever popular "Vhot's der use off all dis vighting?" he gets the pointy end of a Sykes-Fairburn between the shoulders. The only option left is to remark "Himmel, der Englander commandos, aaarrrrrrgh" and it's game over. Remember, "Loose lips sink ships" and "Gripes and pouts mean dead krauts".
 
#10
You never heard that kind of sh1t in the Sven Hassel books. :D
The way I see it, in the same way that you reintroduce zoo-bred animals back into the wild, we need to reconnect the Bosche with their village-raping and nun-burning mojo.
Start 'em off on the small stuff: take them on patrol, and get them to hang the first street vendor they encounter, for being a war profiteer. A nice little sign hung around the neck with 'Juden' scrawled on it is a thoughtful, albeit ethnically dubious, touch.
The next step up is collective punishment. The next time local civvy staff nick one of their clicky-beds, they need to cordon off the fcuker's village and slaughter everyone in it. I'm thinking burning mosques, with all the villagers locked inside, bodies down wells, using Leopard tanks to crush babies- the whole Hague- baiting enchilada.
 
#11
I was bought up on all that stuff as well.

Made it kind of embarrassing that come the Iraqi invasion we were the war criminals and the Germans were the good guys.

Well, that's twice in my life I've been ashamed of being British. Suez and Blair. That man sold England's honour like Arthur Daley flogging off a duff motor.
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
bernoulli said:
You never heard that kind of sh1t in the Sven Hassel books. :D
The way I see it, in the same way that you reintroduce zoo-bred animals back into the wild, we need to reconnect the Bosche with their village-raping and nun-burning mojo.
Start 'em off on the small stuff: take them on patrol, and get them to hang the first street vendor they encounter, for being a war profiteer. A nice little sign hung around the neck with 'Juden' scrawled on it is a thoughtful, albeit ethnically dubious, touch.
The next step up is collective punishment. The next time local civvy staff nick one of their clicky-beds, they need to cordon off the fcuker's village and slaughter everyone in it. I'm thinking burning mosques, with all the villagers locked inside, bodies down wells, using Leopard tanks to crush babies- the whole Hague- baiting enchilada.
I have to say I like your thinking sir.
 
#13
If General Wolfgang Schneiderhahn thinks that German squaddies are good at moaning, someone should send him a link to Arrse
 
#15
The Boxheeds are suffering from the same symptoms as just about all the forces in Affers; they don’t know what they’re supposed to be doing there. There’s a bit of a discussion about it going on over on the Bundeswehrforum here:

http://www.bundeswehrforum.de/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=10&topic=19072.0

And this is the last paragraph of an article in the “Spiegel”:

Noch nie habe er die Situation in dem Einsatz am Hindukusch "so schlimm erlebt" wie jüngt bei seinem Besuch der Soldaten im nordafghanischen Kundus, berichtete der Wehrbeauftragte des Bundestags, Robbe. Die Soldaten hätten ihm gesagt: "Wir bauen hier im Moment keine Brücken und bohren keine Brunnen. Wir befinden uns hier im Krieg."

A translation:

The German parliamentary Armed Forces Commissioner, Robbe, reported that he had never experienced the situation as bad as it was during his recent visit to the soldiers in Kundus in northern Afghanistan. The soldiers had told him: "At the moment, we're not building any bridges or boring wells. We're at war here".

MsG
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Bugsy said:
The Boxheeds are suffering from the same symptoms as just about all the forces in Affers; they don’t know what they’re supposed to be doing there. There’s a bit of a discussion about it going on over on the Bundeswehrforum here:

http://www.bundeswehrforum.de/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=10&topic=19072.0

And this is the last paragraph of an article in the “Spiegel”:

Noch nie habe er die Situation in dem Einsatz am Hindukusch "so schlimm erlebt" wie jüngt bei seinem Besuch der Soldaten im nordafghanischen Kundus, berichtete der Wehrbeauftragte des Bundestags, Robbe. Die Soldaten hätten ihm gesagt: "Wir bauen hier im Moment keine Brücken und bohren keine Brunnen. Wir befinden uns hier im Krieg."

A translation:

The German parliamentary Armed Forces Commissioner, Robbe, reported that he had never experienced the situation as bad as it was during his recent visit to the soldiers in Kundus in northern Afghanistan. The soldiers had told him: "At the moment, we're not building any bridges or boring wells. We're at war here".

MsG
hasnt the same point been made about UK forces involvement? I seem to recall Max Hastings having a few things to say on the subject a while back.
 
#17
bernoulli said:
You never heard that kind of sh1t in the Sven Hassel books. :D
The way I see it, in the same way that you reintroduce zoo-bred animals back into the wild, we need to reconnect the Bosche with their village-raping and nun-burning mojo.
Start 'em off on the small stuff: take them on patrol, and get them to hang the first street vendor they encounter, for being a war profiteer. A nice little sign hung around the neck with 'Juden' scrawled on it is a thoughtful, albeit ethnically dubious, touch.
The next step up is collective punishment. The next time local civvy staff nick one of their clicky-beds, they need to cordon off the fcuker's village and slaughter everyone in it. I'm thinking burning mosques, with all the villagers locked inside, bodies down wells, using Leopard tanks to crush babies- the whole Hague- baiting enchilada.
I'm sure we could do a deal for some Belgian orphans, all we need is some rascally Huns to hack their hands off then stick a nurse or two in front of a firing squad and job done. Let's face it, the awful Allemande need to get back to basics. Holocaust MKII is just a bit too much to ask at this stage and it needs to be done properly, with no chance of a denial at a later date.
 
#19
Wasn't it not so long ago the Jerries tried using a sanitized version of the Afrika Korp symbol? Only to get bounced upon from a great height by the chain of command. If you will jump all over an attempt to buck up the morale and breed some Esprit de corps into the army then what do you expect?

Of course then there was the unfortunate Football with a skull incident...
 
#20
Moltke the Elder, Scharnhorst & Von Schlieffen must bin doing 6000RPM in their graves! See, they've gone too far with all that Innere Fuhrung jive, that from the country that gave the world general staffs and mission command, tis a d@mn shame!
 

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